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  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
[snip] (...) Not the ones that are illegal for me to purchase. They are based on the same technology NASA uses for its satellites. [snip] (...) Wish I knew. I do know that where I live the power company is required to buy back any power you generate (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
 
(...) Just showing some skeletons on the other side. McAuliffe was first to jump down Bush's throat for his "involvement" with Enron, but never mind his own $18 million profit off Global Crossing that looked as specious as anything Bush might have (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) There are plenty of reasons to be paranoid about the current administration, but that sounds a little too paranoid for my tastes. I think that some of the main arguments against decentralization are: 1) The expense of switching from the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) Sorry, misunderstood that in your post. (...) No they wouldn't, since all solar powered systems are pretty much unreliable. It's not that they do not work in cloudy conditions, only they work at a very unneficient pace (so to speak). And then (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) How did you jump to that conclusion? Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
 
(...) Hmmm... Schwarzenegger taps George Shultz for economic council (URL) Still think it's only a local GOP thang? We do not live in interesting times -- frightening is more like it... I don't claim to know precisely what is happening, but it's (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) Whoa. I don't have a problem with the powergrid I have a problem with the centralized generation. The solar panels that are illegal for me to use on my house, if used by everyone, would produce enough excess energy to power the cites. However (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) Solar Panels? Domestic generators? (in abstract, "self-generated power"?) Back in the early days of electricity there was a powerplant in every block, at least in NYC; I believe that can be considered similar to what you advocate? Well, that (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) About half way through this post: (URL) subject of the centralized power grid comes up. (In the middle of the usual lunacy) -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Altruism is a bad idea? (was Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind
 
(...) Just my 2c Altruism: Carpooling (with some non-car-owners too). Charity: Picking up a hitchhiker (now and then). Best DaveG (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
 
Clinton? Bush? Who cares? In my opinion they are figureheads only. The democrat v republican game is also a mere sideshow. Real power is media-hidden in enterprises like Enron and the IMF: 1. You go on in. 2. Your paid for politicians hand you the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) Would you care to ellaborate on that? I thought it was a liberalized market already. What exactly is the role of the Feds in the electrical business? And what/why should it happen different, in your POV? TIA, Pedro (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) Yet I can't help but wonder why the government covertly prevents the de-centralization of power generation. They have to maintain their control over the people I guess. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
(...) It reminded me of "ALF": the cause for him being stranded on Earth was everyone turning on their hairdriers simultaneously - I wonder what too many air conditioning devices could do? ;-) Pedro (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
 
Kind of odd. Everyone might want to check the news. They say it is not a terrorist attack. Aweful strange though. Isn't having a centralized power grid great. Idiot government regulations... -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Altruism is a bad idea? (was Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!)
 
(...) But if you're saying paying 40k for a 1978 Pinto isn't charity, and that any exchange where both sides assign a "value" to the exchange, then altruism or charity can only happen when one side assigns no value whatsoever to the transaction, (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
 
(...) So I expect to never, ever hear the phrase "liberal media" out of you, right, since it sided with Bush? :-) "We all know that election laws don't matter when Democrats are on the losing side..." Okay, back that up. Give some examples. As to (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Altruism is a bad idea? (was Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!)
 
(...) This may simply be a matter of our differing perspectives. If you are a uniquely qualified brain surgeon and you agree perform a highly complex operation for $5.00, then that particular operation is worth (in dollar terms) exactly $5.00. (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
 
(...) Perhaps I'm missing something here. Did Global Crossing deliberately overstate its outlook and earnings by billions of dollars, while defrauding its shareholders and employees, and did it also swindle California (greatly contributing to the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Altruism is a bad idea? (was Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!)
 
(...) No. If you give me a roof to put over my head for a nite, that may well be worth a lot more than an hour's time picking up the parking lot is worth. (best I could do on short notice on the way back from BF was around 50-60 a nite but it's a (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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