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(...) They can espouse it, but can they call it Christianity if it doesn't seem to fit? It doesn't fit what I understand Christianity to be... I mean, isn't that kind of the same as the Red Army selling stock in their phone company and calling it (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Jerry Falwell
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(...) Whoa, Dan and I are in complete agreement on something! How can that be? (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Don't forget that this was done in His name. And since an evil deed was done in His name and he did not stop it, I cannot see how God can be kind and merciful in any way. Jeff (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The killing needs to stop.
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(...) Don't be silly. You are trying to extrapolate from something very personally immediate to something largely abstract. Of course, people have the right to protect themselves even by killing an assailant if need be. Plus in the scenario you are (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Then how can anyone say that God has been merciful. Mercy implies participation. If God isn't participating, then he couldn't have been merciful. (...) What does that have to do with anything I've talked about? I thought the discussion was (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Geordan, you talk about all this 'mercy' but as far I as I know there have been 5 survivors found and still about 5000 missing or dead. Would you call that mercy? I won't. And the plane 'missing' the white house to hit the Pentagon and kill about (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Everything has a purpose, whether we see that purpose in a few days, a year, ten years, or even a century, God has a reason for everything. The reason could be very suttle, it could be realised by only a few people, or there could be a number of (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Who would accuse God or anyone of being too controlling if what happened could have been prevented? And who would say God is controlling in anyway now? You said yourself that bad men do bad things and some people enjoy doing bad things, god (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) A lot has been picked over in terms of the rhetoric of peace, so fine...Does the euphemism "collateral damage" mean human lives? How can you be so callous? Aren't we in hell already? (...) What does "historically theirs" mean? I'd like an (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) No cop-outs. The question is not, "How can you believe in God?", but, "How can you believe in man?!" God didn't do this, man did. I like how people expect God to intervene in self serving ways but they don't want Him to interfere with their (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) True; I can't say specifically why this happened. Perhaps, instead, I could offer the "evil is a mystery" cop-out? Perhaps He let this happen to shock us out of complacency. America is used to living securely and safely; contented people are (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Mark, I'm glad you spoke up, because I was beginning to think I might be the only one who thought this way. Although I can't speak for Mr. Sandlin, I have the same feelings as Mark wrote about, and I am an atheist. I am an archaeologist and one of (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The killing needs to stop.
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(...) Let me say this before I delve into responding point by point below: Ideally, I agree with the sentiments below. They reflect the Christian principles that I hold dear and believe will someday be realized when Christ returns - but not before (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) I don't think anyone is saying we should kill innocents. Official statements refer to "those responsible". However, regrettably some collateral damage is unavoidable. As a side note: when did this notion of "killing the innocent" in war arise? (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: We don't live in America, America lives in US!
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I'll play at Solomon here, Dan. Can we divide the baby and each of you take half and be happy? Jerusalem I would give to the U.N. or some other multi-nation organization ad infinitum -- that everyone may visit there in peace. I'm SO tired of the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) It is amazing that the towers didn't collapse right away, and things could have certainly been much worse. As an engineer, I'll be interested in future reports that will discuss modes of failure. Typically, building design adheres strictly to (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Jerry Falwell
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(...) How can something with so many sects be misrepresented? I mean, in fairness, aren't Jerry and his followers allowed to espouse whatever interpretation of quasi-fundamentalist Xtianity they wish? -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Jerry Falwell has more in common with the Taliban than you think
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In fact, the bombing is all about our commitment to secular values. It is our secular values--love of pleasure, self-reliance, reason, material wealth, technology, freedom, capitalism--that mark the fundamental difference in philosophy between our (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Another Measured Response (was re: Jerry Falwell blames feminists, gays, lesbians, ACLU, others...)
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OMG, what an a*****e!!! Great, just what we need -- another religious zealot! No Jerry, I place the blame at the doorstep of anyone who tries to create difference, and promote intolerance and xenophobia. Such people need to be helped with education, (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Jerry Falwell
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(...) Whoa! Dan and I are in complete agreement on something! Falwell and his fellow reactionary Robertson are both well-established loonies. Dave! (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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