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| | | Bah. The OV-10 is just an observation plane. You can bet they never sent an OV-10 to fly over the former Soviet Union and take pictures of things they weren't supposed to see. :^D ~M (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —James Powell
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| | | | (...) Ha! Ha!. The OV-10 has been adapted to do crop spraying, and has been alleged to have flown over Cuba. They are a nice little plane, with a 110 cf extra space that could be used much like a lysander, for carrying "things" around. (the space is (...) (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | (...) I'm sure it would be perfectly nice... until you passed over a SAM battery. I'll take a good ol' SR-71 any day. :^D ~M (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —James Powell
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| | | | (...) Hey, just two simple words: Martin Rusk (sp). (the kid who flew the cessna 172 into moscow in the 80's) How is that for a answer???? James P (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | (...) This is supposed to prove that a propeller driven craft is a better spy plane than the SR-71? I don't follow your logic here. ~Mark (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | (...) right about SR-71, but you don't need anymore since the effective use of spy satellites. But if you want carry and drop something (human, etc.) what can you do with a SR-71? Parachuting it while cruising at an altitude around 100,000 feet, at (...) (24 years ago, 7-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | (...) If we're going to start talking about dropping people off, then why not just use a UH-60 in its Special Ops configuration? ~Mark (24 years ago, 7-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | (...) Of course it is an option, too. But high noise and more restricted operational envelopes of helicopters might be a problem, I'm not sure, just an educated(*) guess. Selçuk (*) I'm an Aeronautical Engineer. (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | (...) A helicopter wouldn't really make much more noise than an OV-10 Bronco, and you get vertical flight too. If it's good enough for the SEALS, it's good enough for me. ;^) Personally, I think the V-22 Osprey is cool as heck, but I wouldn't want (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | (...) aviation craft can land from an altitude with engine turned off, just as a glider, by the help of high lift to weight ratio and very low stall velocity, and of course with an able pilot on controls. I think this could be the ultimate silence. (...) (24 years ago, 11-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | Land from what altitude? I doubt if you'd be able to glide all the way in while staying beneath radar... unless these planes have phenomenally good glide characteristics. ~M (24 years ago, 11-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) While the following is almost absolutely useless, it's sort of amusing... Many years ago, we were playing with MS Flight Simulator, and were playing the WWI battle game. Someone decided to see how high they could fly the plane before running (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | (...) Heh. Those Dino Island folks are pretty sharp, aren't they? (URL) Mark's Lego Creations (URL) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | (...) that's not .off-topic. ;) In any case, it would be doubly effective against dinosaurs, because they do have brains the size of peas. best Lindsay.nl (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Stephen F. Roberts
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| | | | | | Selçuk Göre <ssgore@superonline.com> wrote: <CHOP OTHER STUFFE> (...) ...When I used to work for an airport maintenance service, my boss commented that the CIA really liked using little Cessna like planes that had an incredible lift to wingspan (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | (...) That could be a spectator sport, not unlike dropping large melons from the rooftops of tall buildings. "I believe it will land some- where inside this 200-km circle..." (...) commented that the CIA really liked using little Cessna like planes (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —James Powell
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| | | | | | (...) that the CIA really liked using little Cessna like planes that had an incredible lift to wingspan ratio and could fly at 35mph. I got to watch one take off one day and it took off on a length of runway shorter than my driveway. In terms of (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) Was that the kind with the retro-firing thrusters? If so, I seem to remember some one incident in which the jets were fired while the craft was too high above the runway, and it crashed. Do I recall correctly? Was that a herc? Do they still (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | (...) 17 tones (metric) normally, 22 tones during wartime, and up to 30 tones max. (requires special order). They are from the TOs (IIRC), so should not be unique to TAF. They were quite good at STOL (without any external boosters or something), (...) (24 years ago, 11-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Secret Agent Theme for 2001? (was: Re: New S@H Catalog) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | (...) IIRC, the SR-71 fleet has been retired completely. Surely there's something replacing it, but nobody's 100% sure what it is (Aurora or something else?)... (...) <sp-response> Matthias Rust. Anyone know where he is now? (Probably flying jumbo (...) (24 years ago, 7-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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