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This whole situation is so unfortunate on so many levels. Dan seems upset that Larry is trying to use Bricklink in a way that he doesn't intend (even though the TOS doesn't seem to address the gray area of stores imposing "terms and conditions" on (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.market.brickshops, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Purple Dave wrote in message ... (...) but (...) TXT (...) to (...) it (...) Been there, done that :-) It's still a a nuisance, and the more of them you have, the more of a nuisance it is. Many of my kits are simply not on BL because I got fed up (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.market.brickshops)
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(...) Hey, that's true-- but what you're also not counting are the number of posts that are favoring Larry. And that's my point about bad press. There are people out there who (if things like this continue) who will abandon BL. Heck, on the BL (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops)
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(...) Clarification? Fair enough. I'm referring specifically to Item 8 of the TOS, which states outright that he can terminate access at any time without notice. That's the criterion I'm using, and, as it's written, it contractually grants Dan the (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops)
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(...) That sounds a little subjective (...) In what way is he paranoid? (...) Now that sounds like paranoia. (...) Now you sound paranoid. (...) Last month I had what I thought was a serious problem; I could not pay my BL fee due to a PAYPAL (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops, FTX)
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Larry, You are painting a very dark picture. Without divulging names, can you give us more details on these "previous incidents in the past"? Scott A (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops, FTX)
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(...) I would like clarification here. Are you asserting that Dan has applied the ToS consistently and fairly? What evidence of that do you have? I have evidence to the contrary. I acknowledge that he doesn't *have* to be consistent and fair, there (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops)
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(...) But what are you using as the standard of judgment? I can't think of any justification to judge Dan's actions except in terms of consistent application of the TOS. Has he failed in this regard? I don't think so. Do some people find his (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops)
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(...) I believe honestly that if Larry saw exactly what played out leading up to his banning happen to you or Richard, he would support reinstating the banned member because of their earnest attempt to act in good faith in the situation (regardless (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.market.brickshops, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But the fact the TOS said what it did (summary action) isn't disputed, at least, I don't think. Did Dan have the right to ban Larry? Yes. Was it right for him to ban Larry, given the situation? No. Dan can do whatever the heck he wants with (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops, FTX)
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(...) Did I say he was? (...) I note you have not disagreed with my point. (...) Interestingly, I stopped posting outside .debate due to the tendency of a certain individual to jump on my posts... Secondly, I very seldom post outside the .debate (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure I agree; I wish this whole thing had stayed private. That said, think about this: what do you think Larry would have done if the tables were turned? Scott A (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.market.brickshops, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello! (...) And there is a a large group of BL users who simply don't care for what has happened and continue using BL because it is the best platform for buying and selling LEGO. There are few who know Admin (or even Admin's name ;) ), there may (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops)
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(...) The difference is that Lar accepted the terms of the TOS, and I commend him for stating this explicitly in his recent post. The TOS included the provision for summary action, and BrickLink has taken that action. The revoking of a driver's (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops, FTX)
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(...) That's your option. However, that's not what Larry was doing. "Think about it." (...) Who are you to say such a thing? Unlike Larry, you contribute virtually nothing to LUGNET and many of us (even people who might agree with you on many (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops, FTX)
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(...) What I find really sad in all of this is, though you're toeing a line and being consistent in your arguments, you're *really* using this incident as an opportunity to stick it to Larry. Pathetic, but expected. -Tim (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.market.brickshops, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not counting, but I'm aware of a lot of posts which say Dan was correct. I'd also suggest that there will be a lot of BL users who are indifferent to the mess Larry has got himself in. A further group is probably unaware (despite Larry’s (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops, FTX)
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Wow. 2500+ words! Is an executive summery available? (...) IMHO this whole thing should have stayed private. Scott A PS Was cross posting to .general really req'd? (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.market.brickshops, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. So if I think that the LUGNET ToS is unfair and has room for improvement, should I just engage in "something like civil disobedience" to make my point? Think about it. (...) That is your view. But if you search for words like "malicious", (...) (20 years ago, 24-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.brickshops, FTX)
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