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(...) It also helps to be able to send messages to other bidders. A polite "there is no way o God's green Earth you are getting XXXXXX away from me" goes a long way. I've heard of less-polite messages, but I really wouldn't know about those. (...) (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) But live auctions don't end after the first 5 minutes (or however long) of bidding. They run until the bids stop coming in. That's what the typical online G1/G2/Sold auction does, just at a slower pace. You'd have better luck comparing eBay to (...) (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Ouch! 15% is extreme for a bid increment. So much for me doing much bidding on that site. (...) I would say that overly-large bid increments is a separate problem, but it does help illustrate that no-minimum-increment...-proxy-bid is a Bad (...) (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Point well taken, Larry. What about the seller though? It's the *seller* that pays the bills... If A's proxy bid is $1000, and the increment is 10%, and B submits a bid of $1075, then under the proposed method, A wins, get ratcheted up to (...) (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Someone bids $100 with a proxy max of $500. Now it's climbed to $150 and the bidding is still hot, and the high bidder realizes he doesn't have $500 after all (maybe it was a typo, or maybe he was counting on some money to come in which didn't (...) (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Hello all, Current bids: 725 Osvaldo Fernandez $40 Going once 6289 Alex Eulen $100 Sold 6289 Otis Anderson $100 Sold 6289 Frank Filz $110 Sold 6263 Frank Filz $22 Sold 6263 Pat Shepard $22 Sold 6263 Mark Parker 2 @ $22 Sold Addendum: Just wanted to (...) (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Reserve-price auctions are the most nefarious thing ever invented. --Todd (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) WHOA. Darn Good Point. --Todd (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) That makes perfect sense, yes! And you can always scrounge together another $.50 or $1.00 if you really need to at the last moment. This is why it's so important to have a re-review period. There are two things that hurt the most in auctions: (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Apparently screwed by the other bidder, but actually screwed by the broken auction system. (...) It is correct to blame the auction system. Humans in general will by their nature do whatever they can to work any system to their personal (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) if (...) their (...) any (...) Yes, but, psychologiaclly, this could be detrimental for the bidder, in that people may bid too much, thinking they can always change later. Not having such an option, people must give greater consideration to (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) It can only reward someone for delaying if they knew that you had dropped your bid, which they wouldn't know. Also, consider the case when you raise your proxy max rather than leaving it where it is. --Todd (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Yea, brother! --Todd (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | [Auction] 1977-1984 sets update April 21th 1999
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Advances are on-going. First sets will go to sold in 2 days, unless news bids are received :) Open sets ---...--- Set Name Bid Bidder 210 Cowboys (US set# 198) 5 Rufus G2 214 Road repair 6 Rufus G2 231 Hospital 50 Pat G2 256 Police officers and (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) I don't know about other people, but I tend to go into an auction (more often a parts auction than an auction server, but the principle still applies) with two things. A maximum budget, and a list of things I want. so if I'm looking at A and (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Hmm, how so? Can you give an example? (...) I think a byproduct of assigning labels to bid types is confusion about what's really going on. What's really going on in a "proxy bid" is this: You have a bid range -- an ordered pair (x,y), where x (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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In lugnet.market.auction, John DiRienzo writes: <snippage> (...) Todd answered most of your points much more sensibly than I could, but I still want to reply this one. Any system (auction or otherwise) that encourages unfair activity, deserves at (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) I've placed proxy bids which did not meet the seller's reserve. I couldn't figure out an easy way to force my minimum up and in a few cases not met the reserve because no one else came along to bump up my proxy. So I assume that a firm bid (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) increment (...) make (...) Now wait, screwed by who? To blame the auction system is just a way of shifting the blame - you knew before hand when the auction would end and could at any time have raised your proxy, if you were willing to pay (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) It doesn't allow them to withdraw their bid. It allows them to reduce their private maximum. This hurts neither the seller nor the other bidders in any way. (...) A firm bid is a special case of a proxy bid in which the minimum and maximum (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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