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Gary, did you ever manage to check the mint-condition copy of this scan?
-- joshua
Gary Istok wrote:
>
> Joshua Delahunty wrote:
>
> > Gary Istok wrote:
> > >
> > > I've been browsing the LUGNET sets database recently, and found a few
> > > omissions and changes that need to be made in the early Samsonite sets.
> > > Who do I contact to correct these?
> > >
> > > Here are what needs changing:
> > >
> > > The following sets list 1967 as the start date for the sets, but the
> > > date should read 1961:
> > > #702, 703, 705, 708, 711, 717, 725.
> >
> > Note that they list "+1967", short-hand for "1967 is the earliest
> > reference we currently have.
> >
> > I'm glad you noticed them. You're much more expert than I am to comment
> > on the release date. The "+" is specifically there to make it stand out
> > and catch the attention of those who'd "know better" than us.
> >
> > > Sets 717 (Junior Constructor), 725 (Town Plan), and 246 (Town Plan
> > > Board) all had 2 completely different sets under the same name and
> > > number.
> > >
> > > The early (1961- early 1962) version of these sets are seen (Bill
> > > Katz/Joe Lauher site) here:
> > >
> > > http://www.chem.sunysb.edu/msl/LEGO/60s_d2.jpg
> >
> > This is the same page that the scans are clipped from. It's that a 1967
> > on the page?
> >
> > > The later (late 1962 to 1964) version of these sets are seen (Bill
> > > Katz/Joe Lauher site) here:
> > >
> > > http://www.chem.sunysb.edu/msl/LEGO/60s_e2.jpg
> > >
> > > These are (with the exception of the Town Plan Board) totally different
> > > models and streetscapes, and should probably both be listed, yes/no?.
> >
> > The above series (702-725) has been fixed from +1967 to 1961 (with your
> > name listed internally as the source, Gary).
> >
> > I'm holding off on the duplicate 717 and 725 (even though the 717 we
> > have seems to be the later version) until you comment on the "1967" date
> > on that sheet.
> >
> > > Gary Istok
> > >
> > > P.S. The only way that I know the early/late 1962 dates is because I
> > > have a November 11, 1962 New Yorker full page advertisement on LEGO that
> > > shows the newer version of these sets, which I think came out for the
> > > holidays that year.
> >
> > Normally, this should have gone to lugnet.admin.database; however I've
> > left it in plain view in lugnet.general to encourage anyone else who
> > spots inaccuracies (and has verifiable fixes to reference) to post fixes
> > to lugnet.admin.database
> >
> > -- joshua
>
> Thanks for the reply Joshua (and thanks especially for all the work in keeping
> the databases updated!). The next thread will go to lugnet.admin.database.
>
> I studied that page (from the supposed 1961 Samsonite Catalog) on the
> website. I assume you're referring to the very small print in the bottom left
> hand corner of the small catalog. From what I can make out this is what I
> think it says:
>
> V1867
> PAT. PEND
> (not readable) ... IN USA
>
> I've got a mint copy of this brochure at home, and will check it out tonight.
> But I'm pretty sure that it doesn't say 1967. (Bill Katz, what do you
> think?) One of the frustrating things about 1950's and 1960's LEGO
> catalogs/boxes/instructions is that there are no dates on them. In Horst
> Lehner's excellect European Catalog website, dates are determined by the LEGO
> Dealer who happened to write the year down on his/her catalogs every year (or
> so it appears).
>
> For me, dating Samsonite is easier because I was a kid in the early Samsonite
> era. I remember receiving the (later) Junior Constructor (717) as a Christmas
> gift in 1963.
> Another interesting item about early Samsonite is that some large sets did not
> have instructions as a separate item. They were put onto the inside of the
> box top. They did come with the above small catalogs, however. And parts
> counts were NEVER displayed anywhere within the set.
>
> Gary Istok
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