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Re: Naming of pieces
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lugnet.db.inv, lugnet.cad
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Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:27:39 GMT
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Sorry to quote so much from previous messages...
In lugnet.db.inv, William R. Ward writes:
> Steve Bliss <steve.bliss@home.com> writes:
> > I'd put this particular piece in as a wing, and the matching brick as a
> > wedge, but the plate-with-panel doesn't really fit in with the panel
> > elements. So is it better to leave these parts all together where they
> > are, or move some of them to more appropriate places, and leave the rest
> > behind?
recap: the parts I'm referring to are:
'this particular piece': <http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=2625>
'matching brick': <http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=2626>
'plate-with-panel': <http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=2627>
See them all (along with other similar parts):
<http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/vehicle/boat>
> What's the difference between a wedge and a slope?
Wedges are basically multisloped bricks. See
<http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/wedge/> for examples.
> If you're talking
> about the brick I think you are, I sort it with slopes.
Hmm, good idea. I've put a slope->wedge relationship into the partsref
generator, so on the next update (whenever that happens--not for weeks, I'm
sure), the Wedges category will appear as a second level group under Slopes.
Like Platforms currently shows up under Baseplates.
(See <http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/category/> for an outline of the
current partsref categories.)
[on to piece 4070 - Brick 1 x 1 with Headlight]:
> Another thing about that piece - the stud on the side is not really on
> the side - it's inset a bit. So it doesn't really fit with the "Brick
> 1x4 With Studs On Side" unless there is further explanation, and that
> gets too wordy. I suppose "Brick 1x1 With Headlight" will have to do.
True, but the indent doesn't make a serious difference when it comes to
description. I'm thinking (for LDraw) that this piece could be renamed to
'Brick 1 x 1 with Side Stud', and 'Headlight Brick' could be added to the
keywords (for use by search programs).
> > Probably. Until you run into people who say "what does 'corrugated'
> > mean?".
>
> That's what dictionaries are for.
:)
> > > > * The 2880 "Hinge Train Cantenary[sic] Holder" is not only misspelled • [snip]
> > There was a longish discussion or two about this one. At least, it
> > should be Hinge Train Pantograph Arm (or ...Holder). But Hinge Bar 3L
> > is probably better.
>
> With 3 Fingers, right?
Why are the 3 fingers more important than the 2 fingers on the other end?
We could establish some jargonish terminology to succintly cover the various
hinge-finger configurations, but is achieving a higher level of accuracy &
precision worth creating a learning curve on part descriptions?
> One trouble with train terminology is that it
> isn't necessarily standard around the world. Also, you have to be a
> pretty hardcore train nut to know what a pantograph is.
"That's what dictionaries are for". ;) At least looking up 'pantograph' will
give you a small hint in the right direction. Sort of. At least, better
than 'ca[n]tenary'.
Seriously, if it gets to name changing, I'd probably try to get these parts:
<http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=2433+2880+4319+2375>
into alignment, with similar names, categorization, and/or keywords.
> > > > * The 4740, 3960, etc. "Space Radar Dishes" - how about something
> > > > generic like "Parabolic Dishes"?
> > I like Radar Dish, for reasons stated above. Besides, I'm not convinced
> > the shape of these dishes is parabolic.
>
> Probably not, but real radar dishes are. The reason I dislike "radar
> dish" is because there are a lot of radar dishes that are not round,
> and a lot of satellite tracking, microwave transmission, and radio
> telescope dishes that are not radar. But all are parabolic. The LEGO
> element may not be a perfect parabola, but it's intended to *model* a
> parabolic dish.
How about just "Dish"? No parabolic, no space radar.
> I'd love it if these elements that can serve multiple purposes can
> appear in more than one category under LDraw, for example.
I go back and forth on that. Should there be a taxonomic classification of
parts, where every part fits into exactly one place? Is that even possible?
If it's not, 'category' isn't really a good description of what we're
talking about. 'Property' or 'affinity' might be better concepts. A single
part could have the properties of 'boat', 'plate', 'tapered' and 'wing' (for
example). Or it could have the affinities of being 90% boat, %85 plate, and
%25 wing (no, the % aren't supposed to add to 100).
> > > > * The 32293 "Technic Steering Link 9L" isn't necessarily for • [snip]
> I don't have any of these, so I can't speak to it. I thought the ends
> were Technic peg holes.
No big deal. I made that mistake when the more recent part was released in
LDraw.
> > > > * The 2741 "Technic Supercar Steering Wheel" isn't just on the Super
> > > > Car. How about "Technic Steering Wheel with T-Shaped Center"?
> >
> > This isn't an LDraw part, so I can't really comment on the name.
>
> Well, it should be added to LDraw then, right? So you'll need a name.
Oops. An ldraw file has been submitted for that part. See
<http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/parts/?n=2408>. Augh; my escape hatch just
closed.
> > I agree on the multi-name dictionary aspect. One name will never be
> > good enough. And pictures will always trump names, when it comes to
> > part identification.
>
> Unfortunately it is hard to alphabetize pictures ;-)
And searches are almost impossible against pictures. Although I'm looking
forward to what Eric comes up with for BrickDraw3D.
Steve
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| "William R Ward" <bill@wards.net> wrote in message news:m28zhwxvqo.fsf@...iew.com... (...) +++ examples and comments snipped +++ I have to agree that a lot of the LDraw part names should be modified. I personally use partsref (and Peeron and (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.db.inv, lugnet.cad)
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| (...) What's the difference between a wedge and a slope? If you're talking about the brick I think you are, I sort it with slopes. (...) Another thing about that piece - the stud on the side is not really on the side - it's inset a bit. So it (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.db.inv)
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