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Subject: 
Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
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Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:15:52 GMT
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Okay, I know I’m not saying anything new here. But give me a moment before you pass this off as another rant:

I realize there are things going on at the company we AFOLs don’t know about. I realize there is probably a certain piece-to-play ratio you’re considering. I realize certain colors attract attention more than others. I realize there is a certain “build-to-play” time factor considered in production for different age groups. I’m not going to go off about the bar going down because thats been done quite elequently already.

But,I refuse to believe these factors cannot be done in a more aesthetically pleasing way. The new Knights’ Kingdom™ mini-fig sets are an eye-sore. I don’t think the common consumer would even recognize they are some type of castle-like creation unless they had a castle looking mini-fig with them.

Before I’m blown off as one more nostalgic adult fan, consider this: we here at lugnet know your product. Put us to the test. What factors need to be considered? I’ll bet my last dollar a Sava or a Hoffman could pump out a model that meets all your specifications and is still beautiful in form and function.


    6086 Black Knight's Castle
569 elements, 12 figures, US$85, 1992
LEGO > SYSTEM > Castle > Black Knights
   Pretty
 

    8778 Border Ambush
178 elements, 2 figures, US$20, 2004
LEGO > SYSTEM > Castle > Knights' Kingdom II
   Pretty Ugly

Dear LEGO company, you can and have done better.

Felix



Message has 16 Replies:
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
(...) I have to disagree on this one point, at least for the set that I bought. I just purchased the Castle of Morcia (8781) a few days ago. It *looks* great (if you ignore the rainbow knights and rainbow weapons). There are also some pretty cool (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
(...) Actually...I thought the 8778 was one of the better sets that came out... :) Benjamin Medinets PS... want to see ugly, see the Grand Tournament set. (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights' Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
(...) I have to agree with you Felix. LEGO is my #1 hobby, but my #2 is medieval stuff (weapons mostly). I have many books with photos of real castles, so I can recognize a good/accurate castle model done in LEGO. The 2004 castle sets resemble (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights' KingdomT is ugly.
 
My local Toys R Us just received the Knights' Kingdom sets. I'm really on the fence about purchasing these. For one thing, the smallest set is $8.99. Seems a lot for two figures and a horse. But I believe the price points have been discussed (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
(...) I think you are looking at this at the entirely wrong direction. They have had these sets out at LLCA for some time now and last time I was there they even had costume characters walking around dressed up as the KK2 knights. And you know what (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
Hi Felix, While I agree with your general premise, I disagree on your examples. I actually really dislike the black/light gray color scheme of Black Knight's Castle, and I dislike the dependence on panel walls and raised baseplate. OTOH, Border (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
(...) At first I thought they were "ugly" too with the exception of Vladek, but then I've found a good use for ALL of them. I only have a Vladek fig for now, got 1 from BrickLink to "test" parts of him on different troop types. Looks real good, I (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
(...) snip (...) After the last two years treated us with Guarded Inn, Black Falcons Fortress, and Blacksmith Shop, these new sets are like a slap in the face. Couldn't they have at least not made the hand guards on the swords backwards? Or used (...) (20 years ago, 5-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
(...) Along the same lines of Felix' posting: (URL) Looks comical (URL) Looks accurate I'm sure kids will find both equally fun to play with. But maybe not us AFOLs. sigh -Bryan (20 years ago, 5-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights' KingdomT is ugly.
 
"Felix Greco" <pggreco@ilstu.edu> wrote in message news:I077EG.1utw@lugnet.com... (...) Hey, come on! Lego at least provided the Space group a few more space helmits! The green one, however, looks like a mix between Boba Fett and the Green Goblin. (...) (20 years ago, 5-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
I guess it’s time for a lurker on .castle to finally say something. There’s a lot to be said about Lego’s choices for what 2004 holds in store for the company, it’s true. The color change had many in a frenzy, and there’s still some sour feelings (...) (20 years ago, 6-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights� Kingdom� is ugly.
 
(...) I second that. The new KK line has nothing in common with the very idea of castles or knights - they are more like a designers-on-acid impression after looking too much television. As someone in this thread pointed out, they look remarkably (...) (20 years ago, 6-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
I watch the local stores here in Singapore very closely. They each have a bunch of Yodas, Rebel Blockade Runners, Darth Maul heads, Red Baron Triplanes, Santa Fe Super Chiefs and Legend Black Falcon's Fortress. All of these sets have been sitting on (...) (20 years ago, 7-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
I'm somewhat of a lurker, but I saw this as a message I just couldn't ignore. I'll agree with Felix that the new sets, especially the Grand Tournament one, just don't live up to the old castle standards. I recall being disappointed with the first (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)  
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
Knight's Kingdom "knights" belong in the movie Krull or ROM comics. F (20 years ago, 17-Jul-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
  Re: Knights’ Kingdom™ is ugly.
 
(...) Felix, I must disagree on this. If you are going to compare 6086 to 1 of the new sets, then compare it to the castle of Morcia set,which I think is much prettier than 6086. I actually prefer the new dark grey (bley) over the old dark grey. You (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)

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