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Escher Hands (was Re: Gone soft...)
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Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:23:30 GMT
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Hey Y'all:

Okay, I tried to get something close to the Escher drawing hands that are
drawing each other into existence, the results can be seen here:

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/blueofnoon/escher/escher.jpg

I was a little disappointed with the resulting render for several reasons.
One thing was that I was too lazy to actually pose the second hand as Escher
posed his -- they are in fact not identical hands (say, two right hands),
but rather the right and left hands of someone drawing each other -- but
just to see how the experiment would go I opted to try the one posed hand
first, and then just copy it over as the second hand.  My second beef is
that this was an unusually difficult scene to light in a satisfactory way
(and I tried several techniques).  My third complaint is that it's very hard
to model something as soft and rounded as shirt sleeves and cuffs in bricks.
Another complaint is that there is no way that one 3D object can look like
it's drawing the other into plastic existence -- drawing with a stylus has
almost nothing to do with creating 3D objects in 3D, so you lose Escher's
contextual joke immediately.  Plus, there's no way to traverse that silly
space between 2D and 3D as does Escher with his drawing -- this Escher piece
requires conceptual/visual fakery that is probably easiest to achieve with
paper and pencil in 2D where 3D is suggested by some shading of a
conceptually "3D object" which is actually just some lines on 2D paper.

Frankly, the whole thing was probably James' revenge on me for some old real
or imagined slight, and I fell for it.  Somebody shoot me...!

-- Hop-Frog



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  Re: Escher Hands (was Re: Gone soft...)
 
(...) So this suggests to me that the translation of media should, to preserve the meaning of the piece, involve a translation of what is depicted. In other words: why not show the two hands building each other? TWS Garrison (23 years ago, 13-Dec-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.build.mecha)
  Re: Escher Hands (was Re: Gone soft...)
 
(...) Excellent work! Possibly a record for the number of complaints about one's own work, too ;-) Cheers Richie Dulin (23 years ago, 13-Dec-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.mecha)
  Re: Escher Hands (was Re: Gone soft...)
 
(...) Mwa ha ha ha! I mean, um... no, whatever gave you that idea? Seriously though, those are well done. The slopes and hands do a credible impression of rising from the page, and it's instantly recognizable, which is the usual point of a famous (...) (23 years ago, 13-Dec-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.mecha)

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  Re: Gone soft...
 
(...) Okay, no one else do this please. It can be done and it will be done, I just need some time to do it and the hands will indeed hold a pencil (I just checked with my real life pair of mecha hands). I am telling y'all -- bendy arms is where it's (...) (23 years ago, 12-Dec-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.mecha)

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