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Nwe MOC: Goliath
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After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

wow. that’s a nicely done greeble-bot!

Jeff


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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Amazing! There is so much to say about this build.

Where do I start?

The Head:

Wow, talk about grills!
The shape of the back of the head is cool and you hinged the dishes for the
eyes! I like it. Only a face a mother or Mecha builders would love!

The Shoulders:

Large dishes on the upper shoulders, very cool!
Uses Technic Throwbot Gear Boxes internally! Super awesome!
The details, wow.

The Chest:
Get out of town! That is so unique!
Instead of a sculpted chest, you have raw details directly on the front.
Very bold!
I see from the work in progress pictures that you changed the entire chest.
Amazing.

The Side to side bending:
No way! Shogun! Watch out!
Yet another amazing triumph. Wow you are a good builder!
How did you like building all that technic in to the body?
Very functional, like a real machine.

The Hips:
WOW. You managed to get all the movements in that space using this set up.
I love it! Clan Snowleopard!

The Upper Legs:
Check out that detail! Clips, rounded parts, grills, details and more details!
Amazing.

The Lower Legs:
No way! that section just above the ankles is so very nice looking.
You have all kinds of building techniques going on there, that is so very well
done! Bravo.

The Feet:
WOW. You did it! A foot that bends but still puts the weight on the "ball" of
the foot. You go down in history my friend! I also like how you have wing plates
in there, reminds me of your style.

The Back:
Just as well made as the front!
The read access for the pilot is sweet! Direct influence from Shogun?
Or does the mechanics in the center of the chest dictate this set up.
I'd imagine the center of the machine is loaded with spinal mechanisms, so you
probably had a tight fit. I see from the work in progress pictures that you also
changed this significantly from the final version. Amazing!

Over all:

I am very impressed!
I only would suggest in the future, if you could get some of the same mobility
that you have on the rest of the body, in to the arms that would be good. Either
way this is a great build, loads of details everywhere, lots of cool building
techniques and a fantastic level of technical function.

That's how to build a Mech.

Great work! Well worth the wait!

Now, a question to the rest of Lugnet:

Why is this post top story with NO highlights and NO replies?
You people ought to stop lurking so much and stop taking peoples MOCs for
granted. Ya'll want to look but never say anything. That is ridiculous.
I am very dissapointed to see Marco work so hard only to have the rest of you
look and not say anything. Like Mecha is the great voyuer of Lugnet.

I know his post is early still, however I know it will be treated the same, you
all look but have nothing to say.

I say look again and really look this time. Look inside yourself and figure out
what is wrong here.

Sorry Marco. I had to say something. Your work deserves more than Top Story with
no substance and no replies.

Let him know what you think, there is more than enough building techniques here
to satisfy.

Thanks for sharring Marco, great work.

e


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Re: New MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Eric Sophie wrote:
   Amazing! There is so much to say about this build.

Where do I start?

The Head:

Wow, talk about grills! The shape of the back of the head is cool and you hinged the dishes for the eyes! I like it. Only a face a mother or Mecha builders would love!

The head was build one afternoon, it’s the only part that’s still left from the first upper body version. It never was reworked or changed afterwards.

  
The Shoulders:

Large dishes on the upper shoulders, very cool! Uses Technic Throwbot Gear Boxes internally! Super awesome! The details, wow.


Well, in fact I had problems with the arms. Early realised that humanoid arms would need too wide shoulders I decided to have just some kind of weapon mounting instead.

I had the Technic Throwbot Gear Boxes only in the first two versions. The final version uses a variation of a gear concept I found in the bulding tips section of .mecha.
   
by Christopher Snead

I built the legs first, so I had to catch up with the high grade of detailing done on them.

  
The Chest: Get out of town! That is so unique! Instead of a sculpted chest, you have raw details directly on the front. Very bold! I see from the work in progress pictures that you changed the entire chest. Amazing.

Yes I changed it four times! Completely! At one point I thought of just publishing the lower section of Goliath and ask for someone else to build the upper body.

  
The Side to side bending: No way! Shogun! Watch out!

This was created out of necessity. Posing the legs causes a tilt of the hips. A stable stand only can be achieved if the upper body is able to bend side to side.

   Yet another amazing triumph. Wow you are a good builder!

Hey I just adopted ideas I found in Marks and your work (and in the work of so many others!).

   How did you like building all that technic in to the body? Very functional, like a real machine.

As I pointed out in the back story it was a challenge to build this whole mecha. Most of the time it was fun. I spent a lot of time playing round with parts to solve mechanical problems that came up. So now I have some solutions I’m missing the problem...

As it is a mecha it needs to be functional, IMHO.

  
The Hips: WOW. You managed to get all the movements in that space using this set up. I love it! Clan Snowleopard!

Yeah, the hips! Thank you Mark for your Shogun! You developed this fantastic hip design which made me try to build a version with the parts I had in my stock.

  
The Upper Legs: Check out that detail! Clips, rounded parts, grills, details and more details! Amazing.

To me the lower part of Goliath is still the better one.

  
The Lower Legs: No way! that section just above the ankles is so very nice looking. You have all kinds of building techniques going on there, that is so very well done! Bravo.

I just had to cover the Technic Throwbot Gear Boxes used to bend forward and backward at the ankle. This section is one of the early ones. It has been refined several times but I never had to redesign it totaly.

  
The Feet: WOW. You did it! A foot that bends but still puts the weight on the “ball” of the foot. You go down in history my friend! I also like how you have wing plates in there, reminds me of your style.

Due to Technic Throwbot Gear Boxes the lower leg is bending at a relative high point above the foot. In Addition to that the movement is restricted by the covers and stability.
Before the feet were able to bend Goliath looked quite funny when standing. He always reminded me of a kid with full load in the diaper. That did’t fit the look a mecha should have.

  
The Back: Just as well made as the front! The read access for the pilot is sweet! Direct influence from Shogun? Or does the mechanics in the center of the chest dictate this set up.

Both. In an earlier version I had a drawer similar to the one Mark built for Shogun. I found it hard to find place for the pilot in this rather big mecha. Rear access seemed to be the only possible solution.

   I’d imagine the center of the machine is loaded with spinal mechanisms, so you probably had a tight fit. I see from the work in progress pictures that you also changed this significantly from the final version. Amazing!

In fact the mechanism for the arm movement restricts the space in width. The bending mechanism located under the cockpit dictates the hight.

  
Over all:

I am very impressed! I only would suggest in the future, if you could get some of the same mobility that you have on the rest of the body, in to the arms that would be good. Either way this is a great build, loads of details everywhere, lots of cool building techniques and a fantastic level of technical function.

That’s how to build a Mech.

Great work! Well worth the wait!

Thank you for the praise. This means a lot to me as it is coming from your side.

  
Now, a question to the rest of Lugnet:

Why is this post top story with NO highlights and NO replies? You people ought to stop lurking so much and stop taking peoples MOCs for granted. Ya’ll want to look but never say anything. That is ridiculous. I am very dissapointed to see Marco work so hard only to have the rest of you look and not say anything. Like Mecha is the great voyuer of Lugnet.

I know his post is early still, however I know it will be treated the same, you all look but have nothing to say.

I say look again and really look this time. Look inside yourself and figure out what is wrong here.

Sorry Marco. I had to say something.

You’re welcome. Lugnet is the only plattform where I communicate with other builders. I myself learned a lot by lurking. But I learned more and faster when I started to reply to posts. If you want to say something about a MOC you have to look close. If you do so you learn.

During the last half year more and more often Lugnet seems to be an abandoned place. Not very much is going on. And if there is a thread with lot of traffic, it’s mostly off topic. I’m sorry about that.

  
SNIP

Thanks for sharring Marco, great work.

e

Was a pleasure to do.
Marco


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Jeff Szklennik wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

wow. that’s a nicely done greeble-bot!

Jeff

Thank you for having a look and taking time to reply
Marco


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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Hi,
About the mecha, I concur with Eric, that the greebling really shows
off this mecha. Though I have to be honest, there is something about
the face which seems off - I think the eyes could be a little more
forward facing. It is also really worth reading the moc page on this
one as well.

The legs look good, and chunky - the use of slopes to give them a well
rounded look looks good. . I possibly feel that the torso could be
more chunky, giving it a bit of width over the legs, but then that
would change the look entirely, so I am not sure about that. It just
seems a little thin and out of proportion with the legs.

I agree with every word that Eric said on the feet -that is a cool
technical victory. The hip movements, added with the rest of the
normal expected posability make this one of the most poseable mechs I
have seen. Its is actually only after seeing the rear of the mech, you
realise just how much gearing has gone in to acheive this. Even the
knees are poseable through the gearing - nice. Do the two round bricks
on the back of the hips control the hip splay?

However, after looking through all the slides, and hearing Erics
concerns, the arms really let the posability down. Trying to read your
description - using a single stud connector, doesnt that have issues
with being a really fragile connection too? The weapons in the arms
look great, but the actual forearms themselves feel like they were not
chunky enough compared with the upper arms, legs, and feet.

The fact the pilot can slide out in what looks like a jet pack chair
is a cool touch, it brings home the scale, and shows a means of
boarding on the battlefield. However, in the WIP photos, there was
also what looked like a very cool slide out cabin section which I am
intrigued by, any reason you decided against that? Is the mech
spacebound or more comfortable on terra firma? I only ask because of
the jet pack and helmet of the pilot.

In response to Eric - sometimes, it is difficult to add anything of
substance beyond "yeah this is really cool", which I suppose is
gratifying (I would have like some kind of response to the only mech I
have so far posted here), but no one wants to sound like a lame suck
up with nothing less superficial to say.

As a few posts gain momentum, it can go one of two ways, if can give
people even less to say, as no one likes repeating people, although
you could just go along the lines of - I agree with every word he
said, or it could actually spark off a real brick conversation - with
some constructive critiscism - did you think to try blah or blah, or
wouldnt it be cool if you did X.

Then you get into the territory of those with criticisms, often
constructive, but not wanting to sound cheeky, or rude. I like it, but
it would be much better looking if you replaced blah. Some people may
feel their critism may not be well received (although they are
probably wrong), and might just not post it.

I agree, people should make more of an effort, and maybe be reassured
that somebody wont jump down their throats for saying "yeah, that is
just really awesome" if that is all they really have to say on it.

I will admit to having lurked on .mecha a long time before I start
posting there.
--
Danny Staple MBCS
OrionRobots
http://orionrobots.co.uk
(Full contact details available through website)

On 10/12/05, Eric Sophie <mylegomaster@aol.com> wrote:
Amazing! There is so much to say about this build.

Where do I start?

The Head:

Wow, talk about grills!
The shape of the back of the head is cool and you hinged the dishes for the
eyes! I like it. Only a face a mother or Mecha builders would love!

The Shoulders:

Large dishes on the upper shoulders, very cool!
Uses Technic Throwbot Gear Boxes internally! Super awesome!
The details, wow.

The Chest:
Get out of town! That is so unique!
Instead of a sculpted chest, you have raw details directly on the front.
Very bold!
I see from the work in progress pictures that you changed the entire chest.
Amazing.

The Side to side bending:
No way! Shogun! Watch out!
Yet another amazing triumph. Wow you are a good builder!
How did you like building all that technic in to the body?
Very functional, like a real machine.

The Hips:
WOW. You managed to get all the movements in that space using this set up.
I love it! Clan Snowleopard!

The Upper Legs:
Check out that detail! Clips, rounded parts, grills, details and more details!
Amazing.

The Lower Legs:
No way! that section just above the ankles is so very nice looking.
You have all kinds of building techniques going on there, that is so very well
done! Bravo.

The Feet:
WOW. You did it! A foot that bends but still puts the weight on the "ball" of
the foot. You go down in history my friend! I also like how you have wing
plates
in there, reminds me of your style.

The Back:
Just as well made as the front!
The read access for the pilot is sweet! Direct influence from Shogun?
Or does the mechanics in the center of the chest dictate this set up.
I'd imagine the center of the machine is loaded with spinal mechanisms, so you
probably had a tight fit. I see from the work in progress pictures that you
also
changed this significantly from the final version. Amazing!

Over all:

I am very impressed!
I only would suggest in the future, if you could get some of the same mobility
that you have on the rest of the body, in to the arms that would be good.
Either
way this is a great build, loads of details everywhere, lots of cool building
techniques and a fantastic level of technical function.

That's how to build a Mech.

Great work! Well worth the wait!

Now, a question to the rest of Lugnet:

Why is this post top story with NO highlights and NO replies?
You people ought to stop lurking so much and stop taking peoples MOCs for
granted. Ya'll want to look but never say anything. That is ridiculous.
I am very dissapointed to see Marco work so hard only to have the rest of you
look and not say anything. Like Mecha is the great voyuer of Lugnet.

I know his post is early still, however I know it will be treated the same,
you
all look but have nothing to say.

I say look again and really look this time. Look inside yourself and figure
out
what is wrong here.

Sorry Marco. I had to say something. Your work deserves more than Top Story
with
no substance and no replies.

Let him know what you think, there is more than enough building techniques
here
to satisfy.

Thanks for sharring Marco, great work.

e



Subject: 
Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, danny staple orionrobots@gmail.com wrote:
  
Hi,

Hi Danny.

   About the mecha, I concur with Eric, that the greebling really shows off this mecha. Though I have to be honest, there is something about the face which seems off - I think the eyes could be a little more forward facing.

I see what you mean but I wanted to have an insectoid touch to the face. And second I think the head would get too wide if the eyes faced more forward.

   It is also really worth reading the moc page on this one as well.

Special thanks for this one. Doing a MOC page is lot of work epecially if you have to use a foreign language.

  
The legs look good, and chunky - the use of slopes to give them a well rounded look looks good. . I possibly feel that the torso could be more chunky, giving it a bit of width over the legs, but then that would change the look entirely, so I am not sure about that. It just seems a little thin and out of proportion with the legs.

The third version of the body (the one with the slide out cabin) was wider over all. But it looked off in some way. It was should have been higher. But was already to heavy. And it missed the side to side action. Which made the complete mecha nearly unposeable.

  
I agree with every word that Eric said on the feet -that is a cool technical victory. The hip movements, added with the rest of the normal expected posability make this one of the most poseable mechs I have seen. Its is actually only after seeing the rear of the mech, you realise just how much gearing has gone in to acheive this. Even the knees are poseable through the gearing - nice.

I had to do it this way, on every other attempt the gear control axle iterfeared with the movement.

   Do the two round bricks on the back of the hips control the hip splay?

Yes they do. The hip incorporates splay, side movement of the leg and normal forward/backward action for both legs.

  
However, after looking through all the slides, and hearing Erics concerns, the arms really let the posability down. Trying to read your description - using a single stud connector, doesnt that have issues with being a really fragile connection too?

Seems my description was a bit missleading!
This is how its connected.
   

   The weapons in the arms look great, but the actual forearms themselves feel like they were not chunky enough compared with the upper arms, legs, and feet.

I didn’t think of arms really. Its only weapon mounting. So every thing mounted below the shoulders belongs to the weapons.

But you and Eric mentioned the arms as a weak part. Should think about that a bit more. Goliath will last some time, so refinements will be possible.

  
The fact the pilot can slide out in what looks like a jet pack chair is a cool touch, it brings home the scale, and shows a means of boarding on the battlefield. However, in the WIP photos, there was also what looked like a very cool slide out cabin section which I am intrigued by, any reason you decided against that?

I thought for quite a while how a pilot could board and escape such a big mecha on the battle field. The solution was a jet pack chair.

I liked the slide out cabin a lot, but in the final version there wasn’t enought space to keep it.


   Is the mech spacebound or more comfortable on terra firma? I only ask because of the jet pack and helmet of the pilot.

Goliath was designed to got his way on stable ground. Seems to be a heavy one. No jet packs or jump jets.
The pilot is equiped with a full life support system. Those pilots have to be well trained and skilled. So it’s only reasonable to try to save their lives. A mecha can be built faster than a pilot is trained.


  
In response to Eric - sometimes, it is difficult to add anything of substance beyond “yeah this is really cool”, which I suppose is gratifying (I would have like some kind of response to the only mech I have so far posted here), but no one wants to sound like a lame suck up with nothing less superficial to say.

I think even this is fine. Just let the builder know you had a look and liked it (or not). If you don’t like to reply just highlight the original post.

  
As a few posts gain momentum, it can go one of two ways, if can give people even less to say, as no one likes repeating people, although you could just go along the lines of - I agree with every word he said, or it could actually spark off a real brick conversation - with some constructive critiscism - did you think to try blah or blah, or wouldnt it be cool if you did X.

Then you get into the territory of those with criticisms, often constructive, but not wanting to sound cheeky, or rude. I like it, but it would be much better looking if you replaced blah. Some people may feel their critism may not be well received (although they are probably wrong), and might just not post it.

For my person I’m glad on constructive criticism. I always try to give critics on a creation and never on the creator (not in public!).

  
I agree, people should make more of an effort, and maybe be reassured that somebody wont jump down their throats for saying “yeah, that is just really awesome” if that is all they really have to say on it.

I will admit to having lurked on .mecha a long time before I start posting there. -- Danny Staple MBCS OrionRobots http://orionrobots.co.uk (Full contact details available through website)


Thanks again for the reply,
your thoughts on the mech and
your thoughts on posting behaviour
Marco

   On 10/12/05, Eric Sophie mylegomaster@aol.com wrote:
   Amazing! There is so much to say about this build.

Where do I start?

SNIP

Thanks for sharring Marco, great work.

e



Subject: 
Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hey, this is interesting - it caught my eye on Brickshelf. I imagine that, being “only” 19 inches tall and loaded with worm gears, this model is pretty stable. I was a little perplexed at first by the wide hips, but now I see this is more of a “Mech” than a mecha, and looks very appropriate for that design. I especially like all of the detail; parts as large as technic turntables and as small as battle droid arms work together to make an engaging model.

Great work, and thanks for sharing!

Chris


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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The jointed feet really show the effectiveness of the concept:

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1521067

They seem to have forced the ankle joint halfway up the calf, which is a little weird, from a humanoid standpoint, but works for a mech.

The waist and hips are a real worm gear tour de force.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1521081

Similar functionally to this from Mark, but yours looks cleaner and more compact/advanced:

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1093187

The armament seems in contradiction to the exposed mechanical and detail bits - armed, but without armor to protect it.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1521069

And if you’re going with gears, go all the way - arms too. ;-)

The head with the wide spaced eyes (if they are eyes) makes me suspect it has a blindspot right in front of it.

The shape of this body (like all wide spaced bipeds) makes me think of a dinosaur (as in Zoids):

http://www.hasbro.com/pl/page.viewproduct/product_id.9651/dn/zoids/default.cfm

Nobody seems to build Lego mecha in this style. But I think it would be interesting to build a zoid-like dino. You’re half way there, with the legs and hips. You’ve developed great Technic technology. It just needs an exciting theme to propel it.

K


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

I’ll echo the comments of others on the lower legs, you’re getting a really nice effect there. It’s really a great color scheme, with the light gray indicating mechanical function and the blue being primarily armor plating--very logical. I also like the weapon designs, particularly the missile launchers. You’re in elite company, being able to pull off a design both this technical and this artistic.


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hi Marco,
That is one sweet looking mech. Large posable mechs are tough to design well, but yours is up there with the best! Well done.

The Shogun mech sure was a great mech for insiration.

Thanks for spending the time creating a moc page too, it made good reading. The photos are nicely taken as well.

Think it. Build it. Share it.
Chris.


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hmmm...What can I say that someone hasn’t already posted? Well, I need to highlight the creative cockpit construction. I like it a lot....may have to adapt something like it in a future design.

Excellent work , Marco!

-Jon


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco
I’ll start with the “bad”...Mechawarrior type mecha just isn’t my thing.

Now the good... I really really like the hips and waist. You did a great job of compacting all those turntables and gears and such. And you blended the System parts into the Technic very well.

I’m sure the mecha is super stable (like Snead said), so I’d like to see some more bulk up top.

You also did a good job with the greeblies though they seem to be a bit random in spots.

On a more general note it’s good to see the mecha community a bit more active the last few weeks. I may have to finish the brick mecha I have half finished....


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Re: Nwe MOC: Goliath
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Christopher Snead wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco


Hello Chris.

   Hey, this is interesting - it caught my eye on Brickshelf. I imagine that, being “only” 19 inches tall and loaded with worm gears, this model is pretty stable.

At this “small” size it really is. But when I tried to get more height on the upper body it got quite wobbly.

   I was a little perplexed at first by the wide hips, but now I see this is more of a “Mech” than a mecha, and looks very appropriate for that design.

What is the difference between a “Mech” and a mecha? I thought it’s just two words for the same. Or are you playing with “Mech”(anic) and mecha?

   I especially like all of the detail; parts as large as technic turntables and as small as battle droid arms work together to make an engaging model.

Greeblings were a lot of fun this time. There was space to fill and the size makes it easier to build greebles that don’t look oversized.

  
Great work, and thanks for sharing!

Chris

Thanks for the reply.


And special thanks for this one!

Marco


tahnks for the reply.


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Brian Cooper wrote:

Thank you for the reply, Brian.

   The jointed feet really show the effectiveness of the concept:

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1521067

They seem to have forced the ankle joint halfway up the calf, which is a little weird, from a humanoid standpoint, but works for a mech.

The mechanism for left/right action on the ankle combined with the throwbot gear boxes for forward/backward movement forced the ankle joint up the calf as you called it. As I mentioned in the reply to Eric the high point of the ankle joint forced me to build those bending feet. I couldn’t get Goliath to a “normal” stand before.

  
The waist and hips are a real worm gear tour de force.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1521081

Similar functionally to this from Mark, but yours looks cleaner and more compact/advanced:

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1093187

Well it’s always easier to refine an idea than to invent something new, IMHO.

  
The armament seems in contradiction to the exposed mechanical and detail bits - armed, but without armor to protect it.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1521069

If you look at tanks you also find unprotected parts. Mostly they are not essential or have to be in exposed position. This is what I thought of while doing the greebling. I also could state that there is a kind of protective power shield, but that’ll be totally absurd.

For the exposed gears this my only excuse is that I tried to cover as much of them as I could without killing the design.

  
And if you’re going with gears, go all the way - arms too. ;-)

The arms, unfortunatly the weakest part I think. Not only because of the missing gears. The hips were too wide to build normal arms (I wrote that once before I think). But nevertheless I don’t try to stick to one type of joint tech. I think it’s better to use the joint which fits best to the individual needs and restrictions. I had to state this although I know this comment wasn’t meant that serious. ;-)


  
The head with the wide spaced eyes (if they are eyes) makes me suspect it has a blindspot right in front of it.

They are what I would call optical sensors. Incorporating cameras, IR- and UV-sensors. The grills on the front side of the head cover additional radar (for long distance) and ultrasonic (for short to medium range) sensors. Just to make up for the blind spot. ;-)

  
The shape of this body (like all wide spaced bipeds) makes me think of a dinosaur (as in Zoids):

http://www.hasbro.com/pl/page.viewproduct/product_id.9651/dn/zoids/default.cfm

Nobody seems to build Lego mecha in this style. But I think it would be interesting to build a zoid-like dino. You’re half way there, with the legs and hips. You’ve developed great Technic technology. It just needs an exciting theme to propel it.

I already thought of changing the legs geometry to a chicken style to build a really bulcked up and (fire) powerfull mech. But maybe I should give the dragons a chance...

  
K

Thanks again for your comments. Looking forward to what ever you come up with next, I know it will be great

Marco


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Kyle Vrieze wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

I’ll echo the comments of others on the lower legs, you’re getting a really nice effect there. It’s really a great color scheme, with the light gray indicating mechanical function and the blue being primarily armor plating--very logical.

As with my Stormwalker I chose the color scheme mostly out of brick availability. (BTW, I’ve build up a good stock of red bricks by now.) But it sometimes was difficult to follow the line and not to scatter the two colors to much.

   I also like the weapon designs, particularly the missile launchers.

Before they were there, the shoulder looked a bit empty. I found the basic idea on your red moab.

   You’re in elite company, being able to pull off a design both this technical and this artistic.

Thanks a lot.
Hope to see something new by you soon, Kyle.

Marco


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Chris Orchard wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hi Marco,
That is one sweet looking mech. Large posable mechs are tough to design well, but yours is up there with the best! Well done.

Thank you Chris.

  
The Shogun mech sure was a great mech for insiration.

Yes it was and is still!

  
Thanks for spending the time creating a moc page too, it made good reading. The photos are nicely taken as well.

Would have been stupid to ruin the work of month by posting overscaled but unsharp and bad lighted photos - like often seen on BS. I’m still working on my photo technique, but this time I was satisfied with allmost a fifth of the pics I took. This is a really good quote for me!

I also thought I had to do a MOC page. Basicly out of two reasons:
1. To show that it was more than just sitting down and doing the MOC. When I started lurking on BS and .mecha I often thought “How can those guys just build this?” It took long until I realized “They all have to work to achive those results.”

2. I wanted to point out some things I thought could be helpful to others. I still have a page in mind where I put together technical knowledge I have or found on the net (see this post).

  
Think it. Build it. Share it.

I hope you don’t mind if I take this as one of the rules I try to live by.
This is so fantastic not only concerning LEGO.

   Chris.

Again, thanks for the reply
Marco


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Jon Walden wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hmmm...What can I say that someone hasn’t already posted?

As disscussed earlier in this thread, it’s totally ok to reply “I can’t add anything to what has alredy been said”. This is much better than just not replying!

   Well, I need to highlight the creative cockpit construction. I like it a lot....may have to adapt something like it in a future design.

Feel free to do so! I’m adapting all the time. So everybody who finds something he or she can use feel free to do so! I would be glad you mention where you found it, if you remeber.

But back to the cockpit - as I couldn’t find a ladder long enough, I had to use a jet pack chair. No not really - you posted your Talon too late. So I wasn’t able to assimilate your ladder design.

Yes, you got me right

I am a kind of .mecha BORG - Resistance Is Futile

  
Excellent work , Marco!

-Jon

Thanks a lot, Jon.
Marco


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Bryce McGlone wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco
I’ll start with the “bad”...Mechawarrior type mecha just isn’t my thing.

That’s ok for me. I’ve my problems with the Gundams.

  
Now the good... I really really like the hips and waist. You did a great job of compacting all those turntables and gears and such. And you blended the System parts into the Technic very well.

Thanks a lot. This carries even more weight as it comes from your side.

  
I’m sure the mecha is super stable (like Snead said), so I’d like to see some more bulk up top.

I tried that once and got into what I call “humanoid trouble”. Goliath tended to fall over to the front or back. I never had this problem with a chicken leg design!

But still I’m thinking about rebuilding the upper body. Bulk it up a bit and get room for real arms.

  
You also did a good job with the greeblies though they seem to be a bit random in spots.

I think you refer to the upper body greeblies with the random spots. If this is right, I totaly agree. They are random. One more point to refine on the upper body.

  
On a more general note it’s good to see the mecha community a bit more active the last few weeks. I may have to finish the brick mecha I have half finished....

Hey, please do! I’m here for only two years. I can’t remember seeing a non Bionicle creation of yours. Don’t get me wrong, they are fantastic. But I’m wondering what you come up with when using “normal” bricks.

Thanks for the reply, Bryce.

Please finish that mecha, please, please, ...


Marco


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Chris Orchard wrote:
..snip..

   I also thought I had to do a MOC page. Basicly out of two reasons:
1. To show that it was more than just sitting down and doing the MOC. When I started lurking on BS and .mecha I often thought “How can those guys just build this?” It took long until I realized “They all have to work to achive those results.”
Yeah I know. Getting a moc “right” rarely happens on the first build. Prototypes, redesign, and refining seems to be the way-of-the-builder.

   2. I wanted to point out some things I thought could be helpful to others. I still have a page in mind where I put together technical knowledge I have or found on the net (see this post).
If you do get that project off the ground, make sure you keep us posted!
For months I lurked trying to find enough background examples for my first mech (which btw was inspired by the “Shogun” mech also)
It would be great to have a series of pages depending on which building scale.

  
   Think it. Build it. Share it.
I hope you don’t mind if I take this as one of the rules I try to live by.
This is so fantastic not only concerning LEGO.
Sure, if you want it, it’s yours. :)

Chris.


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Chris Orchard wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Chris Orchard wrote: • ..snip.. 2. I wanted to point out some things I thought could be helpful to others. I still have a page in mind where I put together technical knowledge I have or found on the net (see this post).
If you do get that project off the ground, make sure you keep us posted!
For months I lurked trying to find enough background examples for my first mech (which btw was inspired by the “Shogun” mech also)
It would be great to have a series of pages depending on which building scale.

This is one of the things I have on my list for the Christmas holidays. I want to get started with it. Maybe some others join with things they’ve done or found.

I surley will post as soon as there’s something worth posting.


  
  
   Think it. Build it. Share it.
I hope you don’t mind if I take this as one of the rules I try to live by.
This is so fantastic not only concerning LEGO.
Sure, if you want it, it’s yours. :)

Chris.

Thanks a lot, but I only share it. It’ll always be yours.
Marco


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hi folks,

during Bricking Bavaria last weekend Goliath dropped backwards onto a window
ledge. It was a complete damage. A lot of the internal frame construction was
torn apart. I decided not to repair it. Today I disassembled what was left and
counted the parts. It were 2259. I hadn’t thought it would be so many.

So here is the last picture of Goliath:


A bit sad
Marco


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hi folks,

during Bricking Bavaria last weekend Goliath dropped backwards onto a window
ledge. It was a complete damage. A lot of the internal frame construction was
torn apart. I decided not to repair it. Today I disassembled what was left and
counted the parts. It were 2259. I hadn’t thought it would be so many.

So here is the last picture of Goliath:


A bit sad
Marco

On the plus side that is 2259 reasons to start the bigger, better Goliath Mk II ;)

I hope you had fun at BB apart from that sad incident... it’s never nice when your models get broken.

Tim


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Timothy Gould wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hi folks,

during Bricking Bavaria last weekend Goliath dropped backwards onto a window
ledge. It was a complete damage. A lot of the internal frame construction was
torn apart. I decided not to repair it. Today I disassembled what was left and
counted the parts. It were 2259. I hadn’t thought it would be so many.

So here is the last picture of Goliath:


A bit sad
Marco

On the plus side that is 2259 reasons to start the bigger, better Goliath Mk II ;)
Tim, that’s right. I’m not sure wether to build a Goliath MkII at the moment.
But I will build a new big Mecha. Could be I try my hand on a civil one. That
would be a real challenge.

   I hope you had fun at BB apart from that sad incident... it’s never nice when your models get broken.

BB was very good. I met Joe Meno and we had a nice talk. A lot of kind
people, fantastic organisation and delicious food! What more do you need?

The audience was quite different from TSL. People were more interested in the
models and building. Everything but “Harry” was shown without any barrier. So
even the kids had a good sight. Nearly nobody tried to touch the models,
nothing got lost.

Goliath has been around for more than one and a half years. I had already
thought of taking him down a few times. But I never have had the heart to do
it. So this accident was kind of helpful in that way.

Marco


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hi folks,

during Bricking Bavaria last weekend Goliath dropped backwards onto a window
ledge. It was a complete damage. A lot of the internal frame construction was
torn apart. I decided not to repair it. Today I disassembled what was left and
counted the parts. It were 2259. I hadn’t thought it would be so many.

Oh no! I understand, I know what that is like. During exhibits and shows, I have had plenty of robots get knocked over or have fallen down.

Not so much any more, I try to take precautions
, but it still happens from time to time.

One time my Black Robot fell over and I found a gray technic beam inside it, and I was upset! I could have used that part or swapped it out for another color. It was hidden inside the chest.

   So here is the last picture of Goliath:


I always wonder what the actual part counts are on my models. It is interesting to know the amount on the Goliath. Which was one of my favorite Mecha that you have made!

   A bit sad
Marco

I know you will re-use the parts to make an even better Mech. You are a great builder!

-eric


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Eric Sophie wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
   In lugnet.build.mecha, Marco Tagliaferri wrote:
  
After my longest building period
for one MOC I proudly present:
   
   Goliath
He’s abaout 19” tall and
has a weight of 1767g.

See more details here.

PLMKWYT
Marco

Hi folks,

during Bricking Bavaria last weekend Goliath dropped backwards onto a window
ledge. It was a complete damage. A lot of the internal frame construction was
torn apart. I decided not to repair it. Today I disassembled what was left and
counted the parts. It were 2259. I hadn’t thought it would be so many.

Oh no! I understand, I know what that is like. During exhibits and shows, I have had plenty of robots get knocked over or have fallen down.
Well I allready had planned to disassemble him, but never found the heart to
do it. So this help a lot on that case...

  
   So here is the last picture of Goliath:


I always wonder what the actual part counts are on my models. It is interesting to know the amount on the Goliath. Which was one of my favorite Mecha that you have made!
I also wondered about the part count. I had estimated about 2000, considering
the weight of 1769g.

  
   A bit sad
Marco

I know you will re-use the parts to make an even better Mech. You are a great builder!
Thank you! Some of the parts are allready used for a new Mecha. It uses
mostly the new Technic balls with throughgoing axle hole. I’ve no pics yet.
I found the inspiration on the mechahub.

Thanks for your reply
  
   Marco


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Hello Marco!

I cannot belief that your great Goliath is broken!

My “condolence ” to you.

Goliath was a great Mecha and an inspiration for me!

I renembered that days on the TSL 2006 where I so Goliath first Time in Reallive.

What did you build wiht this Lego bricks?

In memory for the Goliath:



More pictures from the Goliath on TSL: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=201545


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In lugnet.build.mecha, Dan Demmler wrote:
   Hello Marco!

I cannot belief that your great Goliath is broken!

My “condolence ” to you.
Thank you, Dan.

  
Goliath was a great Mecha and an inspiration for me!
I’d like to see what he inspired you to.

  
I renembered that days on the TSL 2006 where I so Goliath first Time in Reallive.
Well, I still remember seeing your faktor0a! Great work, man.

   What did you build wiht this Lego bricks?
You won’t guess.


No, I didn’t build a train.

Nah, not an aircraft.

...

  
In memory for the Goliath:



More pictures from the Goliath on TSL: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=201545

Thanks for those pics! Those I took are realy bad quality.

See you,
Marco


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