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Re: malicious behavior
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lugnet.admin.general
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Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:35:48 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, David Koudys wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Timothy Gould wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, David Koudys wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Soren Roberts wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, David Koudys wrote:
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Seriously, Eric--walk away from this--you’re better than this.
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Actually, the available evidence indicates that he’s, you know, not. So
I think it’s probably better to appeal to the people poking him. And since
I used to be one of them, who better to deliver the message?
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Actually, you’d be qrong--the available evidence is that he, you know, is
better than this. However, being sniped at by, well, many, many people, is
grating and I can’t blame someone for lashing out. That said, I fully
realize that his lashing out leaves much to be desired and perpetuates the
problem. Hence the ‘walk away’ from this.
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I’ve stayed out of this thread until this comment. There is no evidence that
Eric is in anyway better than this. There is plenty of evidence that he is
not. Just because people get a rise out of him doesn’t mean he is
well-behaved. I had minimal history with Eric until I dared to point out
his TOU violation and after that he launched a full-scale attack on me. I am
not the first person and I’m not the last person this has happened to.
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I had a whole beautiful (if I do so say myself) exposition here but somehow
the page refreshed and it all went ‘bye bye’! So I start again, and I’ve
noticed from past experiences, that the second time through is never as good
as the first one.
I’ve never stated that Eric is without fault. That’s actually the whole jist
of the ‘you’re better than this’--we all make mistakes, but we can all ‘get
better’ and not make the same mistakes again. I’ve seen it in Eric. He’s
done it, hence I know that he’s better than this. Others dredging up his
past misdeeds (or even alluding to them) is the wrong way to get beyond this.
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I’m sorry but I still feel that your choice to single out Eric as being “better
than this” was implying that others weren’t.
Eric’s actions lately imply that he is in no way better than this. This latest
incident was started by Eric (off Lugnet). Thus there is current evidence that
he is not “better than this”. Only evidence that he is possible “better than
this on Lugnet”.
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Again, I’d never argue that Eric hasn’t misbehaved. I’ve been here on LUGNET
long enough to know that not many people are ‘without sin’ around here. I’m
not setting a precedent beyond the idea that pepole can, and have, changed
around here. Whether others see that is entirely up to them.
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Up until Eric’s recent actions I would have agreed that he had changed. He has
been astoundingly well behaved for the longest time I’ve ever seen him. However
his recent actions imply to me that he hasn’t changed at all except that he is
more sly about his behaviour and minimises the risk that he will look bad on
Lugnet.
--snip--
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If someone points out that his response to this latest issue was over-the-top
‘officiously litigious’, then they are focusing on the wrong part--the fact
that it happened is the actual issue. How Eric responded to is is
parenthetical.
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--snip--
I’m sorry Dave but I disagree with you about this. Eric’s actions in threatening
Ross (and Rene) with legal action is an issue. It is not playing nice to do
this. What Ross did was probably wrong. What Eric did was probably wrong.
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So again, who’s acting immature and who’s acting mature here? Again,
dredging up past transgressions isn’t relevant here
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You mentioned that a body of evidence existed that Eric was better than this, I
said a body of evidence existed that suggested he wasn’t. Since we can’t see the
future and the present has a very minimal body of evidence then we both have to
rely on the past for our evidence.
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--snip--
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All this being said, I’m all for ‘fun’ at LUGNET.
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--snip--
And Eric has managed to kill that fun for an awful lot of people. It isn’t
one-sided and it isn’t solely Eric’s doing but the body of evidence is, as
Soren said, that he is not better than this.
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I’ve managed to have fun on LUGNET. Actually, I’ve managed to have fun with
almost everything that has happened on LUGNET through the years, no matter
‘how bad’ it’s gotten (going right back to the ‘community policing’--total
joy!) and I’ve never known Eric to infringe on the fun I’ve had here.
Sometimes, dare I say, Eric, by his sheer presense of ‘artistic being’, has
enhanced my time here. Rather than look at the guy’s faults and constantly
bringing them up at every opportunity (and I’m not saying that he won’t say
or do something to offend now or in the future) or poking at him whenever you
can--would you guys let him up off the carpet, please?
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It seems to me that you are bringing up the past to bolster your own evidence
but not allowing it to be used against it.
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Can we apply the ‘you are better than this’ expression to everyone involved?
I’d like to think so.
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Now I can certainly agree to that and had you said that in your first post I
would never have posted in this thread in the first place.
Tim
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Message has 2 Replies:
 | | Re: malicious behavior
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| (...) To be clear, I was never threatened with legal action. A DMCA notification was served against Northstar (host of jlug.net) regarding pictures linked from jlug.net (but hosted by maj.com). It was Northstar that was obliged to remove the link, (...) (18 years ago, 14-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
| | | Re: malicious behavior
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| In lugnet.admin.general, Timothy Gould wrote: <snip> (...) That wasn't my conscious intent at the beginning, but thinking about it now--Others were provoking him. You're right--they weren't better than him. Sorry if the truth hurts, but there the (...) (18 years ago, 14-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | Re: malicious behavior
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| (...) I had a whole beautiful (if I do so say myself) exposition here but somehow the page refreshed and it all went 'bye bye'! So I start again, and I've noticed from past experiences, that the second time through is never as good as the first one. (...) (18 years ago, 14-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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