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Shame on you. (Re: Bye, bye LUGNET & hello world.... )
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Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:05:33 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, David Koudys wrote:
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Explain to me how I violated the ToU?
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You posted a post that contained a word that clearly violates the ToU. It
matters not whether you quoted it, or what context you used it in, that
particular word is one we come down hard on, consistently. We always have.
Further, you cannot claim that you did not know you were in violation because
your post pretty clearly shows you do know it.
Therefore, were it up to me and me alone, all else under the present system as
it stands now (flawed as it may be, it nevertheless **is** the system as it
stands now) you would be on indefinite timeout till a cancel request came in,
plus some definite period tacked on as a measure to remind you that you cannot
flout the rules, even to make a point. The size of the definite timeout would,
in my view, depend on your level of intransigence and the number of times we
had to remind you that the rules apply to you before you agreed that they did.
This is, I think, at least the 3rd or 4th reminder.
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Essentially, that sounds like a highly subjective judgment. This thread makes it
apparent that a number of members have concerns about the Admins’ judgment in
this area. I think we would be prudent to reconsider our whole approach to this
issue.
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We do not have to send warning notes or cancel requests if we have reason to
believe the poster knows better.
You know better. I know you know better, and you know you know better. Aren’t
you, at one level, ashamed of being such a baby? Be a man. Ask for a cancel.
Agitate for changes in the rules if you like (and when you do so in a reasoned
manner we are very likely to listen to you because you have a very solid head
on your shoulders) but do not violate them while you do so.
This isn’t 1965, you are not Dr. King and we’re not talking about oppresssion
here, we are talking about adherence to rules that you already explicitly
agreed to adhere to, on a private site, and one designed to talk about toys,
no less. This is not some big civil rights thing where civil disobedience is
useful or noble or admirable.
JoJo, especially, knows better as well. He has ALREADY been warned that he
cannot quote posters the way he’s doing, and in my view, he’s pushing buttons
to see what happens. At this point, were it me, I’d ban him without any
reinstatement opportunity at all, because he’s demonstrated a wilful disregard
for the ToS.
Give me a break. It’s all very tiresome.
We admins are trying to be as light about this as we can in order to make the
no censorship model work, we ask and cajole and plead, but as someone pointed
out in response to Kelly, it means that we have to go all the way around the
barn 5 times where on other sites the trip is 2 steps.
What a waste.
I’ve half a mind to press for dumping the no censorship tradition and move to
a model like everyone else uses... filters, threadlocking, moderation after
the fact, cancellation by admins without respecting the poster’s desires in
the matter and the whole nine yards. LUGNET maybe has outgrown the noble
“we’re all friends here, peer pressure will do the trick” experiment of 6
years ago.
Someone explain to me why a no censorship policy is better than that
alernative, given that there is a minority of immature users here that seems
bound and determined to flout the ToS and to cause uproars like this one every
so often.
Someone explain to me why at the premier destination for this hobby, one where
kids do come to because they’re excited about the product and the creations,
and one where reputations of the entire community are made or broken by what
the mundanes first see when they start reading... explain how it’s a good
thing that some blowhard can say whatever swear word he wants whenever he
wants and then spout off about his RIGHTS being trampled in such a way that it
gets to be the top story?
Give me a break. What a turnoff.
You 11 people that spotlighted that first post... shame on you. You’re not the
kind of fans I want to help. Not at all. You 11 people whoever you are? You
can all go **** yourselves for all I care.
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Does missing out that bad word make your sentiment sound any better to a parent
navigating their child through this site?
Shame on you.
Scott A
PS It is 14 now ;)
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++Lar (not speaking officially, not in the slightest)
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