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I will say that I liked the baseplate look (I wish I had that many plates
for the NGLTC layout, but for now the tables are painted base plate green)
but it looked like it had a few draw backs. For one I don't think you'd have
a lot of flexibility in how the layout was arranged, you're forced to build
the layout in a grid format. When we (NGLTC) do shows it's a little more
freeform, we have a general idea of where things will go, but other than the
downtown area we pretty much put things how ever they fit around the track
layout. The track pretty much dictates the lay of the land. I'm curious on
how the MICHLUG felt the layout process went.
As for flat being better, well I don't know about that one. I think
elevations and dips give a layout more to look at, including the addition of
some bridges. I don't know what the fascination is, but people love to see
the trains climb elevations and go across bridges.
I tried a plaster mountain (inspired by the 1998 summer S@H catalog with
trains on the cover) for the first few NGLTC shows. It had some clone bricks
mixed in to give a LEGO feel, but it was all foam and plaster. But ever show
I would always get the comment "hey the mountain is made of LEGO bricks", so
this year I retired the mountain and have begun working on brick mountain.
Of course I have no idea how I'll fit it in the van, it's already full of
tables and the rest of the buildings, trains, controls and etc.
I did notice the lack of crowd control on the MICHLUG layout, very brave
indeed. There were a few pictures of little hands right on the tracks, they
tend to back off after you slam a train into them, but they seem to come
back to try it again. I found that the KRR really helps keep the little
hands off the layout, gives them something to touch, and at a train show
that a rarity.
Good job MICHLUG, I was very impressed with the size of the layout, glad you
guys pulled it off so well,
jt
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James J. Trobaugh
North Georgia LEGO Train Club
http://www.ngltc.org
John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message
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> Kevin Loch wrote:
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> > Actually the whole layout was very well done. I have to say, I prefer • the look
> > of the "baseplate" landscape to the "brick" landscape. There is • something
> > about the "brick" land style that is just too distracting. For some • reason the
> > baseplate-based system just looks more convincing. I know that is
> > counterintuitive but it's what I see. Maybe it's because real live • landscapes,
> > even hilly ones are essentially flat when viewed from most angles of • elevation.
> > Brick based landscapes have too many "rectangular fractal" components, • both
> > horizontal and vertical. Maybe that's what it is.
>
> Interesting analysis, Kevin. I am curious, would you then advocate using, • say a
> mountain, which is non-LEGO and made out of paper mache? On a related • note: it
> seems to me that TLC used to make their dioramas out of bricks more than • they do
> today. Now, it's mostly computerized backdrops. I always thought that it • was due
> to cost considerations-- I never thought it might be because someone • *preferred*
> it that way. I wonder how others feel? Others?
>
> -John
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In lugnet.trains.org, James Trobaugh writes:
> I will say that I liked the baseplate look (I wish I had that many plates
> for the NGLTC layout, but for now the tables are painted base plate green)
> but it looked like it had a few draw backs. For one I don't think you'd have
> a lot of flexibility in how the layout was arranged, you're forced to build
> the layout in a grid format. When we (NGLTC) do shows it's a little more
> freeform, we have a general idea of where things will go, but other than the
> downtown area we pretty much put things how ever they fit around the track
> layout. The track pretty much dictates the lay of the land. I'm curious on
> how the MICHLUG felt the layout process went.
When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
wasn't forced into that design.When we walked in there(to setup) i had the
road allready designed and printed out so that we could put it together
quickly.We did change a few road patterns here or there to make room for
certain buildings.The plan wasn't set in stone just a starting point to get
us going.
>
> I did notice the lack of crowd control on the MICHLUG layout, very brave
> indeed. There were a few pictures of little hands right on the tracks, they
> tend to back off after you slam a train into them, but they seem to come
> back to try it again. I found that the KRR really helps keep the little
> hands off the layout, gives them something to touch, and at a train show
Yes we will go with crowd barriers in the next show.
> Good job MICHLUG, I was very impressed with the size of the layout, glad you
> guys pulled it off so well,
>
> jt
> --
> James J. Trobaugh
> North Georgia LEGO Train Club
> http://www.ngltc.org
> John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message
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In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road plates
and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
KL
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In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Loch writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> > look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
>
> It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road plates
> and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
200 green 32x32's, 192 straight road, 26 T roads ,32 grey 48x48 and
trees.Funny thing on the trees is they told me if i needed anything else
other then the plates that i could get it at cost.So i told them give me
$100 worth of the large trees.That came to 26 packages for $96And
change.Mean while part of the plate order(the 200 green) was lost buy UPS.As
i'm on the phone with the S@H rep discussing the lost plates we went over
the rest of the order that's when she told me she sent me the SMALL packs of
trees(25 count).So when she re sent the 200 greens again she tacked on
another 20 packs of trees ,the large 10 count ones.So we ended up with 850
trees along with my own and Scotts.
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In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Loch writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > > When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> > > look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
> >
> > It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road
> > plates and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
> 200 green 32x32's, 192 straight road, 26 T roads ,32 grey 48x48 and trees.
> ...So we ended up with 850 trees along with my own and Scotts.
Might I be able to borrow the trees (and any extra straights and
switches) for Supertrain2001 one month from (yesterday and) today?
SRC
StRuCtures
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In lugnet.trains.org, Steve Chapple writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Loch writes:
> > > In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > > > When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> > > > look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
> > >
> > > It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road
> > > plates and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
> > 200 green 32x32's, 192 straight road, 26 T roads ,32 grey 48x48 and trees.
> > ...So we ended up with 850 trees along with my own and Scotts.
>
> Might I be able to borrow the trees (and any extra straights and
> switches) for Supertrain2001 one month from (yesterday and) today?
Email and we will talk.CWLeach
> StRuCtures
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In lugnet.trains.org, Steve Chapple writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Loch writes:
> > > In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > > > When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> > > > look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
> > >
> > > It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road
> > > plates and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
> > 200 green 32x32's, 192 straight road, 26 T roads ,32 grey 48x48 and trees.
> > ...So we ended up with 850 trees along with my own and Scotts.
>
> Might I be able to borrow the trees (and any extra straights and
> switches) for Supertrain2001 one month from (yesterday and) today?
>
> SRC
> StRuCtures
Incedentially, we used some of the trees to stablize the plates. We placed
trees on the four corners junctions of four plates to lock them into position.
The plates were green and so were the tree bases. You might also want to dig up
som 2x2 green plates for the same purpose.
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In lugnet.trains.org, James Trobaugh writes:
<snip>
> I tried a plaster mountain (inspired by the 1998 summer S@H catalog with
> trains on the cover) for the first few NGLTC shows. It had some clone bricks
> mixed in to give a LEGO feel, but it was all foam and plaster. But ever show
> I would always get the comment "hey the mountain is made of LEGO bricks", so
> this year I retired the mountain and have begun working on brick mountain.
> Of course I have no idea how I'll fit it in the van, it's already full of
> tables and the rest of the buildings, trains, controls and etc.
> <snip>
You could do it in sections like I did for the last show that WAMALUG (and
coincidently I) did. Keeping it to one 32 long X 'N' wide sections, you can
do a faily decent mountain.
Rich
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Have Fun! C-Ya!
Legoman34
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In lugnet.trains.org, James Trobaugh writes:
<snip>
> I tried a plaster mountain (inspired by the 1998 summer S@H catalog with
> trains on the cover) for the first few NGLTC shows. It had some clone bricks
> mixed in to give a LEGO feel, but it was all foam and plaster. But ever show
> I would always get the comment "hey the mountain is made of LEGO bricks", so
> this year I retired the mountain and have begun working on brick mountain.
> Of course I have no idea how I'll fit it in the van, it's already full of
> tables and the rest of the buildings, trains, controls and etc.
> <snip>
You could do it in sections like I did for the last show that WAMALUG (and
coincidently I) did. Keeping it to one 32 long X 'N' wide sections, you can
do a faily decent mountain.
Rich
--
Have Fun! C-Ya!
Legoman34
*****
Legoman34 (Richard W. Schamus)... (My views do not necessarily express the
views of my employer...)
BRICKFEST 2001 IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER... START MAKING PLANS TODAY.
Card carrying LUGNET MEMBER: #70
Visit http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/1334
...(the wait is over...)
..."The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." ...
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