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Whoa there now Mr.P, how come every time I have advice to give, you have to
talk down to me like some kid? Theres been plenty of times where I've taken
the cloth mentioned above and wiped plenty of black crud off, and my track
is indoors in an air-conditioned room to boot (no kids or pets either)
I've noticed that pattern with you, always talking down to others. I don't
get upset often, but this smug attitude of yours is over the top for me!
I've had plenty of experience with model trains, and having rubber traction
tires with plastic wheels on the cars equals dirty track. Thats why scale
modellers turn to metal wheels on all rolling stock. It don't matter whether
it's HO scale or LEGO®.
I've finished my spiel...
Harvey Henkelman-Certified Ferroequinologist
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Harvey,
Personally, I think you need to stiffen your spine a bit. Larry was in no way
talking down to you.
You seem to bristle at ANYTHING Larry posts, whether it is constructive
criticism or not. I think your perception of Larry (i.e. you) is the problem
just as much as anything else.
Harvey Henkelman wrote:
> Whoa there now Mr.P, how come every time I have advice to give, you have to
> talk down to me like some kid? Theres been plenty of times where I've taken
> the cloth mentioned above and wiped plenty of black crud off, and my track
> is indoors in an air-conditioned room to boot (no kids or pets either)
>
> I've noticed that pattern with you, always talking down to others. I don't
> get upset often, but this smug attitude of yours is over the top for me!
> I've had plenty of experience with model trains, and having rubber traction
> tires with plastic wheels on the cars equals dirty track. Thats why scale
> modellers turn to metal wheels on all rolling stock. It don't matter whether
> it's HO scale or LEGO®.
>
> I've finished my spiel...
> Harvey Henkelman-Certified Ferroequinologist
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Considering how many times I've posted in reply to Mr. P...
...my opinion stands
And I thought this discussion was over with.
Well, as of this minute...I will no longer post advice or debate of any
kind. My words will be limited to announcing my upcoming website opening and
MOC's.
I'll leave the advice to the self-proclaimed 'experts'
Harvey Henkelman-Certified Ferroequinologist
http://community.webtv.net/Ferroequus/FerroequusDomain
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In lugnet.trains, Harvey Henkelman writes:
> Considering how many times I've posted in reply to Mr. P...
As to this particular issue, I stand behind my opinion, by and large, in
normal use, the 9V track doesn't need regular cleaning. Can it benefit from
it? Maybe... I haven't needed to, though. Others have. That's fine.
Is it appropriate to put into a beginner FAQ? No. Not in my view. I've given
my reasons why. Don't bog a beginner FAQ down with excessive detail and
caveats. (others have even went further and suggested that a beginner FAQ
ought to omit 12V entirely as too esoteric, for example)
It's random chance that I hung that statement (about cleaning) on your post,
because it was random chance, presumably, that you responded first with the
assertion that cleaning was needed. Not some sort of big plot to undercut
you. Don't flatter yourself.
In the large though, I'm not sure what you're getting at, Harvey. Mostly I
ignore your posts. Your pronouncements that you're leaving, that you're
back, that you're leaving again, your statements that you're writing the
NMRA to tell them things (which, truth be told, they already know, because
of the hard work of clubs all around the country), your questions about
whether you should do models or not, whether you should redo models, your
statements about taking on jobs, your annoucements that you are hosting a
chatroom discussion and you expect everyone to come in and participate,
etc... I view those all as chitchat.
Harmless, but noise. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, we all make noise.
It's part of the fun of the hobby.
No one is attacking you for having an opinion in this matter, or in any
other matter. That doesn't mean that they agree, mind you. Don't view
disagreement as attack.
> ...my opinion stands
As it should, unless you decide it shouldn't. The interchange of ideas is
part of what makes discussion groups great. Different ideas get voiced,
reshaped, people learn things, etc. Some people in this group are new to
trains, some have been fans all their lives. Some are only mildly
interested, some are passionate. And yes, some knowledge can come off as
being a bit pedantic. Deal.
> I'll leave the advice to the self-proclaimed 'experts'
> Harvey Henkelman-Certified Ferroequinologist
Does anyone but me find the above two lines, one right after the other, at
all ironic? I never sign my posts "train fan for 35 years" or "Has every
back issue of TRAINS to 1970" or "successful model designer" or "Has
implemented IT systems at several logistics companies and railroads" or any
of the other true things I could say if I wanted to.
I don't see the need. Knowledge speaks for itself without the need for
aggrandizement, and people over time develop their own opinions of who knows
what they're talking about and who doesn't. It's a meritocracy. And that's good.
And especially, I don't much make up labels for myself. However if there IS
a process to become a "certified ferroequinologist" that has some standing
among others, not just something you made up, I'm certainly interested.
However the title smacks of "self proclaimed expert" to my eyes.
In closing: Harvey, (and everyone else) do what you want to do and be happy
in your hobby. Contribute, or don't, here, or elsewhere, as you choose. When
you have something valuable to contribute, the forum will be that much
richer for your presence or poorer for your absense. But, conversely, when
you have something disruptive to contribute, it will be that much POORER for
your contribution or richer if you choose not to sully it with it... You decide.
++Lar
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I followed this discussion: fantastic waste of words and webspace! I
love it.
Oké, my suggestion to make up between you two:
Larry: you design a neat small automatic track-sweaper, to be mounted on
a 9V motor, frontside of course.... Building not necessary, so
prohibited use of it to you, ha! :-)
Harvey: you build Larry's design, demonstrate the benefit to us, and you
may use it as much as needed. How's that?
Everybody else: enjoy their efforts and build/use it or not!
I certainly will from time to time, pets and kids make a lot of dust
around here......
Klaas
Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Harvey Henkelman writes:
>
> > Considering how many times I've posted in reply to Mr. P...
>
>
> As to this particular issue, I stand behind my opinion, by and large, in
> normal use, the 9V track doesn't need regular cleaning. Can it benefit from
> it? Maybe... I haven't needed to, though. Others have. That's fine.
>etc. etc.
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
news:H1CsFw.5Fo@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.trains, Harvey Henkelman writes:
> > Considering how many times I've posted in reply to Mr. P...
>
> As to this particular issue, I stand behind my opinion, by and large, in
> normal use, the 9V track doesn't need regular cleaning. Can it benefit • from
> it? Maybe... I haven't needed to, though. Others have. That's fine.
>
> Is it appropriate to put into a beginner FAQ? No. Not in my view. I've • given
> my reasons why. Don't bog a beginner FAQ down with excessive detail and
> caveats. (others have even went further and suggested that a beginner FAQ
> ought to omit 12V entirely as too esoteric, for example)
Is it done yet.
> It's random chance that I hung that statement (about cleaning) on your • post,
> because it was random chance, presumably, that you responded first with • the
> assertion that cleaning was needed. Not some sort of big plot to undercut
> you. Don't flatter yourself.
>
> In the large though, I'm not sure what you're getting at, Harvey. Mostly I
> ignore your posts. Your pronouncements that you're leaving, that you're
> back, that you're leaving again, your statements that you're writing the
> NMRA to tell them things (which, truth be told, they already know, because
> of the hard work of clubs all around the country), your questions about
> whether you should do models or not, whether you should redo models, your
> statements about taking on jobs, your annoucements that you are hosting a
> chatroom discussion and you expect everyone to come in and participate,
> etc... I view those all as chitchat.
Blah, blah, blah....
> Harmless, but noise. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, we all make noise.
> It's part of the fun of the hobby.
>
> No one is attacking you for having an opinion in this matter, or in any
> other matter. That doesn't mean that they agree, mind you. Don't view
> disagreement as attack.
>
> > ...my opinion stands
>
> As it should, unless you decide it shouldn't. The interchange of ideas is
> part of what makes discussion groups great. Different ideas get voiced,
> reshaped, people learn things, etc. Some people in this group are new to
> trains, some have been fans all their lives. Some are only mildly
> interested, some are passionate. And yes, some knowledge can come off as
> being a bit pedantic. Deal.
Here we go again, blah, blah, blah.....
> > I'll leave the advice to the self-proclaimed 'experts'
> > Harvey Henkelman-Certified Ferroequinologist
>
> Does anyone but me find the above two lines, one right after the other, at
> all ironic? I never sign my posts "train fan for 35 years" or "Has every
> back issue of TRAINS to 1970" or "successful model designer" or "Has
> implemented IT systems at several logistics companies and railroads" or • any
> of the other true things I could say if I wanted to.
>
> I don't see the need. Knowledge speaks for itself without the need for
> aggrandizement, and people over time develop their own opinions of who • knows
> what they're talking about and who doesn't. It's a meritocracy. And that's • good.
>
> And especially, I don't much make up labels for myself. However if there • IS
> a process to become a "certified ferroequinologist" that has some standing
> among others, not just something you made up, I'm certainly interested.
> However the title smacks of "self proclaimed expert" to my eyes.
>
> In closing: Harvey, (and everyone else) do what you want to do and be • happy
> in your hobby. Contribute, or don't, here, or elsewhere, as you choose. • When
> you have something valuable to contribute, the forum will be that much
> richer for your presence or poorer for your absense. But, conversely, when
> you have something disruptive to contribute, it will be that much POORER • for
> your contribution or richer if you choose not to sully it with it... You • decide.
>
> ++Lar
Finally, blah, blah, blah... I feel a migraine coming one.
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