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Jade Empire Hong Hovertank
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We’ve seen fighters, fighters, fighters, and more fighters, science vessels, a frigate, a racer, and a power suit.

The first wave of space- and air-craft have proven their worth in combat against PCS, Iron Reich, and Eastern Block forces. Now it’s time for the ground assaults vehicles to show their might.

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The Jade Empire Hong Hovertank is designed for all types of planetary surface warfare, with a hover design that guarantees travel over most any terrain. Whether the enemy needs to be rooted out of urban or jungle hideouts, or massive forces are arrayed over plains battlefields, the hovertank thunders through all opposition.

Two operators (one driver, one weapons) control the tank, which features a main rail cannon, two side cannons, and two underside blasters. A rear hatch and lowering ramp allows entry for the operators and up to two passengers. Two additional troops can hitch rides on the platforms on either side of the tank.

Builder notes: This started off as a spaceship. I had planned for it to be a large ship for Jade Empire leadership. Wings came and went. A clamshell cockpit design was abandoned. And finally the hovertank design was established. The near-final version featured a...trashcannon, for lack of a better name, but after some extremely helpful weapon ideas from Soren Roberts, the final version came into being. I also owe some thanks to Gil and Jamie for the BIJoe concept, which factors a lot of playability into mocs. I packed as much play elements as I could into this thing: weapons rotate and tilt, can be easily removed for swapping in other weapons, troops have places to sit/stand, doors open, top comes off, etc.

Deeplinks:
Rear 3/4 view
Side runningboard for troops
rear hatch and ramp
Underside rear 3/4 view

Thanks for reading/viewing. Comments/Criticism appreciated.

--Ry


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In lugnet.space, Ryan Wood wrote:

   The Jade Empire Hong Hovertank is designed for all types of planetary surface warfare, with a hover design that guarantees travel over most any terrain. Whether the enemy needs to be rooted out of urban or jungle hideouts, or massive forces are arrayed over plains battlefields, the hovertank thunders through all opposition.

Wow!

If I remember correctly, the rounded cockpit tilted at 45 degrees first appeared in an official Lego set, the Mega Core Magnetizer. Other AFOL have improved on the original idea. Patrick Justison’s Enforcer comes to mind. But I’ve never seen a model that is so completely dominated by the 45-degree tilt as yours. It’s sleek and unique!

Cheers, John Ladasky


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OH...WOW! That thing is awesome! I was curious as to what a Jade Empire ground vehicle might look like, and I think you built something that perfectly grasps the essence of a machine of war built solely for destruction. And on top of that, it’s a very original design, and also encompasses everything the JE should have, you know, green cramped cockpit, dino tails, etc. It looks like a tank that would fit well in an urban setting, dishing out punishment from all five cannons in five different directions, not something you’d want to see rounding a corner. My favorite part are the three main turrets, they just look built for business, no messing around.

On a small note, the dino tails seem kinda stuck on, not as stuck on as say out of place, just stuck there. I think some upturned ones around the main turret would look good, but that’s just me.

Another beautiful MOC!

Chris McNamee


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In lugnet.space, Ryan Wood wrote:
<http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=95571>

Ryan,

Thanks for the history - I really enjoy reading the evolution of a project.  I
especailly like the layout & canopy - the 45-degree turn worked out nicely.  And
the auxiliary guns mounted on either side are great touches.


-nk


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Nice tank! I could see a division of these squaring off against a division of Trade Federation tanks. I think the Jade Empire would win!

Bill Pfund


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In lugnet.space, Bill Pfund wrote:
   Nice tank! I could see a division of these squaring off against a division of Trade Federation tanks. I think the Jade Empire would win!

Bill Pfund

Actually, I’d like to see Ryan’s Hong hover tanks squaring off against Leonard Hoffman’s Elefant hover tanks.

Oh, wait a minute... the Eastern Block and the Jade Empire are sort of allies, aren’t they...

Oh, wait a minute more... before Ryan’s tank appeared on the scene, Lenny had designed a variation of the Elefant in Jade Empire livery...

Never mind!

How about a two-against one fight? EB and JE tanks against Soren Roberts’ PCS tanks? Yeah, that would do. It might also make a fun BrikWars game.

Cheers, John Ladasky


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In lugnet.space, John Ladasky wrote:
   In lugnet.space, Bill Pfund wrote:
   Nice tank! I could see a division of these squaring off against a division of Trade Federation tanks. I think the Jade Empire would win!

Bill Pfund

Actually, I’d like to see Ryan’s Hong hover tanks squaring off against Leonard Hoffman’s Elefant hover tanks.

I was actually thinking the same thing. Especially since both Ryan and I went for a non-traditional tank design.

  
Oh, wait a minute... the Eastern Block and the Jade Empire are sort of allies, aren’t they...

used to be. Then the JE sneak attacked us and now we hates them dirties!

  
Oh, wait a minute more... before Ryan’s tank appeared on the scene, Lenny had designed a variation of the Elefant in Jade Empire livery...

It was a sign of friendship that latter turned out very bad. *note to self, never sell military technology to war hungry empires* man did that bite us in the ar$e.

Awesome tank ryan! BRAVO!

-Lenny


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In lugnet.space, John Ladasky wrote:
   Wow!

If I remember correctly, the rounded cockpit tilted at 45 degrees first appeared in an official Lego set, the Mega Core Magnetizer. Other AFOL have improved on the original idea. Patrick Justison’s Enforcer comes to mind. But I’ve never seen a model that is so completely dominated by the 45-degree tilt as yours. It’s sleek and unique!

Cheers, John Ladasky

Well hey thanks for the compliments and sharing those links..those are some interesting ideas! I’ve seen neither before, but that is a stud orientation I may have to play around with for future models.

--Ry


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In lugnet.space, Chris McNamee wrote:
   OH...WOW! That thing is awesome! I was curious as to what a Jade Empire ground vehicle might look like, and I think you built something that perfectly grasps the essence of a machine of war built solely for destruction. And on top of that, it’s a very original design, and also encompasses everything the JE should have, you know, green cramped cockpit, dino tails, etc. It looks like a tank that would fit well in an urban setting, dishing out punishment from all five cannons in five different directions, not something you’d want to see rounding a corner. My favorite part are the three main turrets, they just look built for business, no messing around.

On a small note, the dino tails seem kinda stuck on, not as stuck on as say out of place, just stuck there. I think some upturned ones around the main turret would look good, but that’s just me.

Another beautiful MOC!

Chris McNamee

There’s many more designs to be created for Jade Empire ground forces; this is just one idea, in my personal building style! :) If you or any number of other JE builders (or even new builders to the theme) took a stab at the concept, we’d have a large variety of styles and vehicles.

I’m working on some effects pictures of the tank in a couple action scenes, you can see those on Brickshelf in the next few days.

Your eye for detail is right on: those dino tails were just about the last thing I worked on for this moc. I thought I worked out the tacked-on-ednessness feel of the tails, but guess I didn’t :) I might change them someday but for now they’ll do.

Thanks for commenting :)

--Ry


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In lugnet.space, Nick Kappatos wrote:
Ryan,

Thanks for the history - I really enjoy reading the evolution of a project.  I
especailly like the layout & canopy - the 45-degree turn worked out nicely.  And
the auxiliary guns mounted on either side are great touches.


-nk

Thanks, 22. Glad you (and others) enjoy the progress shots.. all my mocs go
through such drastic design changes that it seems like a fun way to present
multiple ship ideas to the public when posting the final moc. Maybe someone will
see something they like in a scrapped idea and come up with a way to improve it
or go a totally different direction with it.

--Ry
(I drove through a hardcore neighborhood tonight and flashed your pic for street
cred. Thanks for lending a hand.)


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In lugnet.space, Bill Pfund wrote:
   Nice tank! I could see a division of these squaring off against a division of Trade Federation tanks. I think the Jade Empire would win!

Bill Pfund

The Federation tank has one main cannon and two puny side cannons. Theoretically the curved front end of the tank fires a variety missiles, but all I see is printing ;) I’m confident my hovertank would rip it to shreds.

Thanks, Bill. :)

--Ry


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In lugnet.space, John Ladasky wrote:
   Actually, I’d like to see Ryan’s Hong hover tanks squaring off against Leonard Hoffman’s Elefant hover tanks.

Sounds like an idea for an effects shot for me to work on..hmmmmm :)

   Oh, wait a minute... the Eastern Block and the Jade Empire are sort of allies, aren’t they...

Nope. Bwahaha.

   Oh, wait a minute more... before Ryan’s tank appeared on the scene, Lenny had designed a variation of the Elefant in Jade Empire livery...

As noted in my original post ;)

   Never mind!

How about a two-against one fight? EB and JE tanks against Soren Roberts’ PCS tanks? Yeah, that would do. It might also make a fun BrikWars game.

A three-way fight would be even better. That would be an entertaining matchup indeed. I’d like to tackle a PCS hovertank sometime soon, after another project, so I will have a companion craft to do battle alongside Soren’s sweet moc.

   Cheers, John Ladasky

Thanks, John.

--Ry


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In lugnet.space, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
   I was actually thinking the same thing. Especially since both Ryan and I went for a non-traditional tank design.

If I’d thought up this moc and completed it before Fest, and somehow made it to DC, that would have made for a fun battle in front of the JHoJ.

   used to be. Then the JE sneak attacked us and now we hates them dirties!

Ah yes my Precious. Someday we’ll establish a backstory for Jade Empire and how exactly this friendship was broken. For now me and the rest of the pantheon of JE builders will keep making mocs to blow yours out of space, sky, and surface.

   It was a sign of friendship that later turned out very bad. *note to self, never sell military technology to war hungry empires* man did that bite us in the ar$e.

Awesome tank ryan! BRAVO!

-Lenny

A dozen of the JE Elefants could probably hold their own against 4 or 5 of these hovertanks. Your tank is still a very cool and formidable craft.

Thanks for the comments, Lenny! :D

--Ry


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In lugnet.space, Ryan Wood wrote: Now it’s time for the
   ground assaults vehicles to show their might.
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=95571


This is one of the coolest futuristic tanks I’ve seen on these boards. I love how it’s not just a tank minus the treads, but a whole new asthetic. The 45 degree thing is just wild and practical too...I can see how shells would deflect off of it, or light based weapons could refract off the oversized canopy (which completely rawks, btw). The weapons, the add-ons. Dude...great build.

Cheers, -Gil


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   A dozen of the JE Elefants could probably hold their own against 4 or 5 of these hovertanks. Your tank is still a very cool and formidable craft.

Indeed, the Eastern Block’s technological paradigm is power in numbers. Our designs tend to be small and affordable in such a way that we can field twice or thrice the number of our enemies, and thus achieve victory.

Historical Note: During WW2 - the Russian T-34 Tank was smaller and less powerful than the German Panther or Tiger tanks. However, the T-34 was a simpler design and cheaper. In the end, the Russians were able to out produce the Germans, thus even out the superiority of the German designs, and winning the war.

-Lenyu


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Snippage
   Historical Note: During WW2 - the Russian T-34 Tank was smaller and less powerful than the German Panther or Tiger tanks. However, the T-34 was a simpler design and cheaper. In the end, the Russians were able to out produce the Germans, thus even out the superiority of the German designs, and winning the war.

-Lenyu

The Russian winter gave the Russians victory on the Russian front, more so than the T-34. Although having vehicles and equipment that could take the cold were a large part of that equation.

Mike


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In lugnet.space, Mike Kollross wrote:
   Snippage
   Historical Note: During WW2 - the Russian T-34 Tank was smaller and less powerful than the German Panther or Tiger tanks. However, the T-34 was a simpler design and cheaper. In the end, the Russians were able to out produce the Germans, thus even out the superiority of the German designs, and winning the war.

-Lenyu

The Russian winter gave the Russians victory on the Russian front, more so than the T-34. Although having vehicles and equipment that could take the cold were a large part of that equation.

Russian Winters being what defeated the Germans is more myth than truth. Think about it. Hitler attacked in late summer of 1941. Sure, the winter hurt his Moscow offensive of that year, but Hitler remained in a commanding position in Russia until Stalingrad, which was August 1942. Even then, Russians defeating the Germans was no sure thing - as they only expelled the Germans in 1944/45.

That means the Germans survived three winters in Russia before being pushed out - saying Russian climate had more to do with Germany being defeated than superior Russian technology and production rates is just plain silly.

It was Russian guts to not surrender when everything seemed lost in 1941, and then Russian ability to rebuild their infrastructure and then Russian ability to take less materials and turn it into more tanks (Russians were quite a bit more efficient than the Germans in materials-into-tanks equations) that equalled Russian victory.

-Lenny


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In lugnet.space, Gil Shaw wrote:
   This is one of the coolest futuristic tanks I’ve seen on these boards. I love how it’s not just a tank minus the treads, but a whole new asthetic. The 45 degree thing is just wild and practical too...I can see how shells would deflect off of it, or light based weapons could refract off the oversized canopy (which completely rawks, btw). The weapons, the add-ons. Dude...great build.

Cheers, -Gil

Here’s one that Alex Peacock just posted on FBTB which he’s had on Brickshelf for a bit. Maybe he’ll get around to posting it here. I don’t think it’s Jade Empire, but it certainly could be! A very cool tank design, and more realistic than mine.

Thanks for the kind words, Gil. The oversized canopy is pretty impractical, but in my mind it’s a thick translucent metal armor window, much like the clear aluminum that M4rk posted about recently. And hey, it just looks rad!

Again, thanks. :)

--Ryan W.


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