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Re: Trainhead gives space a whirl
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Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:13:48 GMT
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In lugnet.space, Gil Shaw wrote:

   I played with it a bit myself:

Viatrans space semi

Standard Container Module

Yes! I totally hacked your design, and I couldn’t remember after the fact where I’d hacked from.

   This container is a little longer than yours, but I think that your shorter version makes more sense from a stacking/moving point of view, and to allow a greater variety of colour and cargo. The incorporation of numbers on the sides looks excellent as well. My thought was to eventually put custom decals on the sides as corporate logos...using some other spacers ‘corporations’.

Yeah, I have a strange attraction to the numbers.

   Perhaps a container size/connection standard would be a fun thing to explore...get some other builders designing with it in mind?

This would be terrific. That’s what I’m hoping for. I like the design of this style of container, but I think a bit smaller might make more sense. Also, I used the axles just because of the mounting design I used inside the warehouse (the pins didn’t hold the top containers like I’d hoped). I will probably try to redesign this after the upcoming show. I like the idea of using pings much better than axles.

One other cool thing about this container size is that it butts up against the Moonbase corridors perfectly. You can imagine containers hanging off empty connectors on a display where modules aren’t hooked into other modules.

Anyone else have any ideas?

   Looking forward to the other creations.

Yeah.... me too... I’m running out of time before our show!

   Welcome to .space...where no one can hear you giggle like someone giggling about being in .space

Heh, thanks! And thanks for the inspiration!

Jake

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Re: Trainhead gives space a whirl
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Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:08:35 GMT
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Delurk On

Snippage


  
   Perhaps a container size/connection standard would be a fun thing to explore...get some other builders designing with it in mind?


I have pondered the idea of containers in the past and thought that it would be cool if they were compatible with the moonbase standard for hallways. The idea being that given the cost of maufacturing shipping the container vs the cost of transporting the empty back to be re-used would be cost prohibitive and large numbers would be available for other uses.

The short version is moonbase components that can be shipped by transport and train.

If the conainers were of the right dimensions they could be used to expand the moonbase. The conainers would need to have ends the were removable using pins in the same location as the hallways for the moonbase.

They wouldn’t necessarily be used on every moonbase section but the abundance of a “free” building material might make them attractive to some builders.

Just some thoughts Mike

    
          
     
Subject: 
Everyone knows the moon's made of cheese. (Was: Trainhead gives space a whirl)
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Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:48:56 GMT
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Mike wrote:

   The idea being that given the cost of maufacturing shipping the container vs the cost of transporting the empty back to be re-used would be cost prohibitive and large numbers would be available for other uses.

Nonsense! Containers would be shipped back to Earth *full* of MoonCheese. As Wallace made quite clear: “Everyone knows the moon’s made of cheese.”

I suppose I shall have to make a cheese quarry module now. Hmm. Yellow, orange, or sand green? Three weeks to OurCon at UMass? Help!

-Teddy

    
          
     
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Re: Everyone knows the moon's made of cheese. (Was: Trainhead gives space a whirl)
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Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:18:12 GMT
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In lugnet.space, Ted Welsh wrote:
   Mike wrote:

   The idea being that given the cost of maufacturing shipping the container vs the cost of transporting the empty back to be re-used would be cost prohibitive and large numbers would be available for other uses.

Nonsense! Containers would be shipped back to Earth *full* of MoonCheese. As Wallace made quite clear: “Everyone knows the moon’s made of cheese.”

I suppose I shall have to make a cheese quarry module now. Hmm. Yellow, orange, or sand green? Three weeks to OurCon at UMass? Help!

-Teddy

If you want ideas, you can look at the Blue Moon Cheese Mine & Shop MOC I made recently for the Feb. Kid Expo here in Indianapolis... :) Here’s the link to the pics on my BrickShelf page: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=76321

John

   
         
   
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Re: Trainhead gives space a whirl
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Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:22:11 GMT
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In lugnet.space, Jake McKee wrote:
   In lugnet.space, Gil Shaw wrote:
   Perhaps a container size/connection standard would be a fun thing to explore...get some other builders designing with it in mind?

This would be terrific. That’s what I’m hoping for. I like the design of this style of container, but I think a bit smaller might make more sense. Also, I used the axles just because of the mounting design I used inside the warehouse (the pins didn’t hold the top containers like I’d hoped). I will probably try to redesign this after the upcoming show. I like the idea of using pings much better than axles.

I would love to have a container standard for moonbase (or even space freighter) applications. It lends itself to a .Space container swap at large gatherings. :-)

  
One other cool thing about this container size is that it butts up against the Moonbase corridors perfectly. You can imagine containers hanging off empty connectors on a display where modules aren’t hooked into other modules.


I didn’t catch that, but way cool! What better way to unload containers than to drop them off at an airlock and pick them up later? I could almost imagine moonbase distribution centers with multiple airlocks along the sides for all of the cargo containers to be loaded/unloaded. Hmm... Interesting....

   Anyone else have any ideas?

   Looking forward to the other creations.

Yeah.... me too... I’m running out of time before our show!

   Welcome to .space...where no one can hear you giggle like someone giggling about being in .space

Heh, thanks! And thanks for the inspiration!

Jake

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http://www.bricksonthebrain.com

-Duane

   
         
   
Subject: 
Re: Trainhead gives space a whirl
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Date: 
Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:41:56 GMT
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In lugnet.space, Duane Hess wrote:
   In lugnet.space, Jake McKee wrote:
  
One other cool thing about this container size is that it butts up against the Moonbase corridors perfectly. You can imagine containers hanging off empty connectors on a display where modules aren’t hooked into other modules.


I didn’t catch that, but way cool! What better way to unload containers than to drop them off at an airlock and pick them up later? I could almost imagine moonbase distribution centers with multiple airlocks along the sides for all of the cargo containers to be loaded/unloaded. Hmm... Interesting....

Using containers in this way is exactly the way that NASA (and the international partners) use MPLM’s (Multi-Purpose Logistics Module) on ISS (International Space Station). The shuttle carries the MPLM up in its cargo bay, the shuttle docks with ISS, then the shuttle RMS (Remote Manipulator System, or more simply the Canadian robot arm) is then used to pull the MPLM out of the payload bay and attach it to a CBM (Common Berthing Mechanism) on one of the nodes. Once the payload is unloaded (and the MPLM is loaded with trash), the RMS is used to remove the MPLM and place it in the shuttle’s cargo bay for return to earth.

Common Berthing Mechanism

Multi-Purpose Logistics Modules

STS-100, an MPLM flight

Picture of Endeavour on STS-100 with MPLM Raffaello in its payload bay

Picture of MPLM Raffaello attached to ISS

This is the first time I’ve resorted to sticking a lot of links in a Lugnet posting. Hopefully you’ll like them. They give you a good idea of how the MPLM’s are used.

Jeff

 

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