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Subject: 
Re: detecting goal objects at a distance
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lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:38:02 GMT
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In lugnet.robotics, Uwe Denzer writes:
Mario Ferrari wrote:

Does any of you have suggestion on what kind of IR led is more appropriate

Well, I do now!  I bought three last night.  I got a GaAs IR LED that was
clearly made for a remote control application.  The good news is that when it
is pointed at the LEGO light sensor it pegs at 100%!  Unfortunately it's higly
directional (it seems to be an LED behind a lens, rather than embedded in a
diffusing material).  I chose it because it claimed to be a 3v part, which made
battery selection easier.  I'm going to exchange it for one of the 5-6v LEDs
with a standard diffuse plastic body.

To power it I got 3v lithium watch batteries (biggest I could find, about the
size of a quarter).  If I go with 6v LEDs I'll need two of them sandwiched
together.  I plan to use 1/2" heat-shrink tubing to hold the batteries together
with electrodes (aka wires soldered to a loop of large gauge copper wire).

to make such an object? Do I need any additional circuit, or just a LED and
a battery (and the proper resistor) are enough?

They make some LEDs with builtin resistors now.  You should make sure you know
what kind you've got.

I imagine that - even if using such an IR LED as a beacon - roomlight etc. • will
still be the major problem.

The LEGO sensor is far more sensitive to IR already, even without a filter.
That's why I was choosing it (although being invisibile to humans is a nice
side-effect).

So, I'm pretty sure that a quite simple means at the detector side would
simplify such a project dramatically: an optical IR filter.

You can get these (as well as so-called Hot Mirror filters to block IR) at any
camera store.

--Ben

   
         
     
Subject: 
Re: detecting goal objects at a distance
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:05:37 GMT
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Ben Jackson wrote:


You can get these (as well as so-called Hot Mirror filters to block IR) at any
camera store.

--Ben

Well, I knew that camera stores sell IR blocking filters but IR transmission
filters? Are you sure? (What would be the purpose for normal photography?)

Uwe

    
          
     
Subject: 
Re: detecting goal objects at a distance
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Sat, 1 Jan 2000 21:23:41 GMT
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In lugnet.robotics, Uwe Denzer writes:
Ben Jackson wrote
You can get these (as well as so-called Hot Mirror filters to block IR)
at any camera store.

Well, I knew that camera stores sell IR blocking filters but IR transmission
filters? Are you sure? (What would be the purpose for normal photography?)

IR Photography, of course.  Lookup Kodak HIE, for example.  The filters you are
looking for are Wratten #87 and 87C.  If you look at them they appear to be
black because they pass no visible light.  I believe the difference between the
two is exactly which IR wavelengths they pass, but I don't remember the
technical details.  I'm sure they're on the Kodak website.

--Ben

    
          
     
Subject: 
Re: detecting goal objects at a distance
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lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:52:38 GMT
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Ben Jackson wrote:

IR Photography, of course.  Lookup Kodak HIE, for example.  The filters you are
looking for are Wratten #87 and 87C.  If you look at them they appear to be
black because they pass no visible light.  I believe the difference between the
two is exactly which IR wavelengths they pass, but I don't remember the
technical details.  I'm sure they're on the Kodak website.

--Ben

OK, thanks for the info. That's interesting. I'll look for it.

Uwe

   
         
   
Subject: 
Re: detecting goal objects at a distance
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:07:16 GMT
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Thanks a lot Ben!

I'm going to look for some of those IR LEDs and make some experiments.

Mario

Web page: http://www.geocities.com/~marioferrari
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Ben Jackson <ben@ben.com> wrote:
In lugnet.robotics, Uwe Denzer writes:
Mario Ferrari wrote:

Does any of you have suggestion on what kind of IR led is more • appropriate

Well, I do now!  I bought three last night.  I got a GaAs IR LED that was
clearly made for a remote control application.  The good news is that when • it
is pointed at the LEGO light sensor it pegs at 100%!  Unfortunately it's • higly
directional (it seems to be an LED behind a lens, rather than embedded in • a
diffusing material).  I chose it because it claimed to be a 3v part, which • made
battery selection easier.  I'm going to exchange it for one of the 5-6v • LEDs
with a standard diffuse plastic body.

To power it I got 3v lithium watch batteries (biggest I could find, about • the
size of a quarter).  If I go with 6v LEDs I'll need two of them sandwiched
together.  I plan to use 1/2" heat-shrink tubing to hold the batteries • together
with electrodes (aka wires soldered to a loop of large gauge copper wire).

to make such an object? Do I need any additional circuit, or just a LED • and
a battery (and the proper resistor) are enough?

They make some LEDs with builtin resistors now.  You should make sure you • know
what kind you've got.

I imagine that - even if using such an IR LED as a beacon - roomlight • etc.
will
still be the major problem.

The LEGO sensor is far more sensitive to IR already, even without a • filter.
That's why I was choosing it (although being invisibile to humans is a • nice
side-effect).

So, I'm pretty sure that a quite simple means at the detector side would
simplify such a project dramatically: an optical IR filter.

You can get these (as well as so-called Hot Mirror filters to block IR) at • any
camera store.

--Ben

   
         
   
Subject: 
RCX Web Server
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:24:19 GMT
Original-From: 
David Pfeffer <davidp@bytenik.com=NoMoreSpam=>
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Hi all,
I've been working on a RCX web server, and it seems my project is
almost done. When I finish it, the website running off of the RCX
will be available at http://rcxonline.gbdev.org. Its not up yet, but
it will be within the next few weeks. I wrote it in LegOS (which I
can't get to work anymore... my harddrive crashed and now it won't
install (windows)... thats whats holding up my project... I hook the
IR unit and a modem up to a Basic Stamp IIx from ParalaxInc.com, to
retransmit the data in an IR unit friendly fashion. The RCX has a 5
to 4 compression routine I wrote and you can expect images on the RCX
website because of it (not linked from a real server, but actually
served directly from the RCX.) I've never been much of a hardware
guy, but if someone could design an interface to one of the sensor
and motor ports to read an EEProm, I could hold more data on it. If
my invention is sucessful, I might consider registering
www.rcx_on_the_web.com as a place for my RCX to have a perminant
location. (Just better tell the cleaning lady not to move the RCX
away from the IR beacon...)

David

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