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In lugnet.lego.direct, Greg Kramer writes:
> I think re-releasing sets will drive me crazy for a different, but related,
> reason... I'm less worried about the value of the sets I own going down,
> but I think this will make it much harder for me, as a buyer, to figure out
> how much to pay for an older set.
>
> Every time I go to buy an older set (one that Lego has not yet re-released),
> in the back of my mind I'll be thinking "maybe I should wait another few
> months and see if Lego re-releases it". You know, do I pay 50% over retail
> now, or get in an ebay bidding war, when it could show up at Lego Direct in
> two months?
Ya.
But just look at it as "do I want the enjoyment of having it nowish enough
to pay X for it" rather than the other way... if I stress out for 1/2 hour
about the decision, that's a cost too...
So stop worrying and buy buy buy. Or sell sell sell. I dunno. ;-)
++Lar
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> In lugnet.lego.direct, Greg Kramer writes:
> > I think re-releasing sets will drive me crazy for a different, but related,
> > reason... I'm less worried about the value of the sets I own going down,
> > but I think this will make it much harder for me, as a buyer, to figure out
> > how much to pay for an older set.
> >
> > Every time I go to buy an older set (one that Lego has not yet re-released),
> > in the back of my mind I'll be thinking "maybe I should wait another few
> > months and see if Lego re-releases it". You know, do I pay 50% over retail
> > now, or get in an ebay bidding war, when it could show up at Lego Direct in
> > two months?
>
> Ya.
>
> But just look at it as "do I want the enjoyment of having it nowish enough
> to pay X for it" rather than the other way... if I stress out for 1/2 hour
> about the decision, that's a cost too...
>
> So stop worrying and buy buy buy. Or sell sell sell. I dunno. ;-)
I'm guessing that these thoughts will drag down prices somewhat. Which
may be a bad thing. The good prices are what gets non-FOLs scouring the
used market and putting these things up for sale (I think the bulk of my
eBay buying is from non FOLs). Of course if the prices mostly just drop
from insane to healthy margins, then it could be good for all. It could
also be good for those of us who are mostly looking for parts. I have
become just about absolutely convinced that given a mixed heap of LEGO,
the most cost effective way to turn it into green is to divide it into
sensible parts lots. The labor is a fraction of that required to put
into sets, eliminates any worry of missing pieces, can significantly
reduce the worry about poor quality parts (a conscientious seller can
more easily say "here's a lot of pirate masts, 1 of them is mangled"
than make sure they list every part in a set which might be in poor
shape), and lets those of us who are looking for very specific parts to
get just those (of course I have on numerous occaisions realized I
should have been bidding outrageously for complete sets due to the
numbers of parts from them I've bought, 6079 comes to mind the quickest
here, but Paradisa also comes to mind).
--
Frank Filz
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Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
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In lugnet.pirates, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Greg Kramer writes:
> > I think re-releasing sets will drive me crazy for a different, but related,
> > reason... I'm less worried about the value of the sets I own going down,
> > but I think this will make it much harder for me, as a buyer, to figure out
> > how much to pay for an older set.
> >
> > Every time I go to buy an older set (one that Lego has not yet re-released),
> > in the back of my mind I'll be thinking "maybe I should wait another few
> > months and see if Lego re-releases it". You know, do I pay 50% over retail
> > now, or get in an ebay bidding war, when it could show up at Lego Direct in
> > two months?
>
> Ya.
>
> But just look at it as "do I want the enjoyment of having it nowish enough
> to pay X for it" rather than the other way... if I stress out for 1/2 hour
> about the decision, that's a cost too...
>
> So stop worrying and buy buy buy. Or sell sell sell. I dunno. ;-)
>
> ++Lar
I've heard on the winds that a castle people accessory set is coming and it
will contain a female figure. I don't know anymore then that, so don't
press me...
Now, onto more pressing matters, The Yellow Castle...
Why hasn't it been considered as a recreation of a classic set. What could
be a better surprise than that for the big "July Surprise" everyone is
talking about.
Let's break the Yellow Castle down (I'm lucky enough to still have one from
childhood):
1. 95% of the set is basic brick
2. The minifigs are all plain torso, no problem there.
2. Horses were made out of basic brick. Could be swapped for pre-formed horses
3. Classic helmets are not in production, but the new style is. Could be
swapped for those
4. Tall, sloped bricks are currently in blue, green and dark gray. (pink
too?) No problem there looking fo rthe mold.
5. Torso stickers are becoming very prevalent (McD's, Soccer, Bike Tours,
etc) No problem there.
6. 1x1 red windows, this is the only hang-up I see for not re-introducing
the Yellow Castle.
7. Weapons in light gray. Heck, all the shields are still produced on
light gray blanks.
8. What's that leave, not a thing from stopping a re-release of the prized
Yellow castle. I think it is cheaper and cheaper set for them to reproduce
then the Guarded Inn. (Personal feeling when comparing the types of
elements in each set).
So, I may be dreaming, but, if you're going to dream, dream big...
BK>
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In lugnet.pirates, Brian Kasprzyk writes:
> Now, onto more pressing matters, The Yellow Castle...
> Why hasn't it been considered as a recreation of a classic set. What could
> be a better surprise than that for the big "July Surprise" everyone is
> talking about.
> Let's break the Yellow Castle down (I'm lucky enough to still have one from
> childhood):
> 1. 95% of the set is basic brick
> 2. The minifigs are all plain torso, no problem there.
> 2. Horses were made out of basic brick. Could be swapped for pre-formed horses
> 3. Classic helmets are not in production, but the new style is. Could be
> swapped for those
> 4. Tall, sloped bricks are currently in blue, green and dark gray. (pink
> too?) No problem there looking fo rthe mold.
> 5. Torso stickers are becoming very prevalent (McD's, Soccer, Bike Tours,
> etc) No problem there.
> 6. 1x1 red windows, this is the only hang-up I see for not re-introducing
> the Yellow Castle.
> 7. Weapons in light gray. Heck, all the shields are still produced on
> light gray blanks.
> 8. What's that leave, not a thing from stopping a re-release of the prized
> Yellow castle. I think it is cheaper and cheaper set for them to reproduce
> then the Guarded Inn. (Personal feeling when comparing the types of
> elements in each set).
Good analysis. The hard part from my viewpoint is the helmet visor. Tis made
of a different plastic and surely has been out of production for an awfully
long time.
It sounds like, since you proposed some other mods, that you would be OK
with substitutions?
++Lar
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> In lugnet.pirates, Brian Kasprzyk writes:
>
> > Now, onto more pressing matters, The Yellow Castle...
>
> > Why hasn't it been considered as a recreation of a classic set. What could
> > be a better surprise than that for the big "July Surprise" everyone is
> > talking about.
>
> > Let's break the Yellow Castle down (I'm lucky enough to still have one from
> > childhood):
> > 1. 95% of the set is basic brick
> > 2. The minifigs are all plain torso, no problem there.
> > 2. Horses were made out of basic brick. Could be swapped for pre-formed horses
> > 3. Classic helmets are not in production, but the new style is. Could be
> > swapped for those
> > 4. Tall, sloped bricks are currently in blue, green and dark gray. (pink
> > too?) No problem there looking fo rthe mold.
4a. (one of the most important):
2x2x3 extreme sloped corners (currently in blue, dark grey) No problem
with the mold.
> > 5. Torso stickers are becoming very prevalent (McD's, Soccer, Bike Tours,
> > etc) No problem there.
> > 6. 1x1 red windows, this is the only hang-up I see for not re-introducing
> > the Yellow Castle.
> > 7. Weapons in light gray. Heck, all the shields are still produced on
> > light gray blanks.
> > 8. What's that leave, not a thing from stopping a re-release of the prized
> > Yellow castle. I think it is cheaper and cheaper set for them to reproduce
> > then the Guarded Inn. (Personal feeling when comparing the types of
> > elements in each set).
>
> Good analysis. The hard part from my viewpoint is the helmet visor. Tis made
> of a different plastic and surely has been out of production for an awfully
> long time.
>
> It sounds like, since you proposed some other mods, that you would be OK
> with substitutions?
If the yellow castle was re-introduced with the modern visored helm
(currently used in Knights Kingdom sets), I'd buy a bunch (for the
stickers and the yellow extreme slope corners). If they released it in a
new color, I'd be a little less excited (unless it was light grey or
tan, in which case I would stampede them for the extreme slope corners
in light grey or the extreme slopes, regular and corner, in tan, red
would be cool also, though less likely), but would still buy some (for
the stickers and other bricks). If they redesigned it to use castle wall
parts, but otherwise left it relatively unchanged, I would still buy a
bunch. I'd still be happy with my $150 original in any case.
Frank
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In lugnet.pirates, Brian Kasprzyk writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.lego.direct, Greg Kramer writes:
> > > I think re-releasing sets will drive me crazy for a different,
> > > but related, reason...
<< TRIMMED >>
> Now, onto more pressing matters, The Yellow Castle...
>
> Why hasn't it been considered as a recreation of a classic set?
Okay, I don't know why the upcoming Classics sets were selected to be
classics but I am not so sure I even like the idea of re-releasing old sets.
Yes, there are many excellent old Lego sets that I would like to purchase,
but the probability of the ones I want being re-introduced is very low.
Here is what I would propose:
No re-release of past Lego sets,
Instead--develop and release NEW Lego sets that are EXCELLENT and
on par (or better) than the best sets from previous years.
I have wanted a Black Seas Barracuda, a Skull's Eye Schooner, and another
Black Knight's Castle for years. However, I think I would prefer to new
and different sets that are equal or better than what has been produced
in the past.
In fact, (even though we have been asking for years) I favor the
reintroduction of complete themes including all of the various sizes
of sets to match TLC's targeted price points (small and mid-sized sets
always sell in far greater quantities than the full- and over-sized sets).
Let's not give up the fight for Pirate and Castle themes and sub-themes to be
reintroduced. The Classics will be here, and I will buy them along with
everyone else, but I am still waiting for New and Better sets to come along.
__Kevin Salm__
....Lego enthusiast for over 20 years....
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