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In lugnet.lego, Jeff Szklennik wrote:
> Lego, you darn well better absolutely
> NOT use slave labor & conditions!!!! (although that's probably what they're
> counting on to cut costs by going to china. I don't wanna hear about poor
> abused children being forced into making one of the best toys invented FOR
> children. way to go Lego, you really tick me off.
That is some rather ignorant ranting. Why would you expect those single kids,
spoiled by two parents and four grand parents, would be forced to work? And
what is this "slave labor"? Some cold war garbage?
Yes you really tick me off too.
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In lugnet.lego, Ka-On Lee wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Jeff Szklennik wrote:
> > Lego, you darn well better absolutely
> > NOT use slave labor & conditions!!!! (although that's probably what they're
> > counting on to cut costs by going to china. I don't wanna hear about poor
> > abused children being forced into making one of the best toys invented FOR
> > children. way to go Lego, you really tick me off.
>
> That is some rather ignorant ranting. Why would you expect those single kids,
> spoiled by two parents and four grand parents, would be forced to work? And
> what is this "slave labor"? Some cold war garbage?
>
> Yes you really tick me off too.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, and the majority of China's factory labor force is
upper-middle class, university educated!?!
Bad factory environments exist in much of the Global South, and China in no
exception! Some generalizations are valid, simply because they still apply.
Peace,
--==Richard==--
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In lugnet.lego, Ka-On Lee wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Jeff Szklennik wrote:
> > Lego, you darn well better absolutely
> > NOT use slave labor & conditions!!!! (although that's probably what they're
> > counting on to cut costs by going to china. I don't wanna hear about poor
> > abused children being forced into making one of the best toys invented FOR
> > children. way to go Lego, you really tick me off.
>
> That is some rather ignorant ranting. Why would you expect those single kids,
> spoiled by two parents and four grand parents, would be forced to work? And
> what is this "slave labor"? Some cold war garbage?
>
> Yes you really tick me off too.
Just to think about how we're (USA) going to support the baby boom generation in
retirement and that there are four times as many humans in China with little in
the way of future generations to support those. Of course their family
structure is different than ours most likely. Still with 1,200,000,000 people
there I would too find it hard to believe slave labor does not exist. Someday I
hope to find out for myself first hand - inspired by this RUSH song.
-Patrick
Tai Shan
High on the sacred mountain
Up the seven thousand stairs
In the golden light of autumn
There was magic in the air
The clouds surrounded the summit
The wind blew strong and cold
Among the silent temples
And the writing carved in gold
Somewhere in my instincts
The primitive took hold.
I stood at the top of the mountain
And China sang to me
In the peaceful haze of harvest time
A song of eternity
If you raise your hands to heaven
You will live a hundred years
I stood there like a mystic
Lost in the atmosphere
The clouds were suddenly parted
For a moment I could see
The patterns of the landscape
Reaching to the eastern sea
I looked upon a presence
Spanning forty centuries.
I stood at the top of the mountain
And China sang to me
In the peaceful haze of harvest time
A song of eternity
I thought of time and distance
The hardships of history
I heard the hope and the hunger
When China sang to me...
When China sang to me.
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Noeckel wrote:
> Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, and the majority of China's factory labor force is
> upper-middle class, university educated!?!
No, but they've learned a lot over recent years. They've set up huge
manufucturing districts, and the way it usually works is young adults will work
there for a few years, earn enough money in that time to go buy a small farm,
start up a family, and subsist off of whatever they can produce themselves for
the rest of their lives.
> Bad factory environments exist in much of the Global South, and China in no
> exception! Some generalizations are valid, simply because they still apply.
Are there still instances of child labor in China? I'd be shocked and amazed if
there aren't, but I can say the same thing about the US, where there are still
underground slave rings that sell young children for sex. BUT, there are enough
reputable manufacturing companies that TLC should be able to maintain full
legitimacy in their business dealings there. Quality control is a much more
painfully significant issue in this case. I once caught someone telling a
supplier in China that his customer needed them to adhere to strict quality
standards...and that this time they actually meant it. That to me screams
"empty promises" in that regard.
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In lugnet.lego, Ka-On Lee wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Jeff Szklennik wrote:
> > Lego, you darn well better absolutely
> > NOT use slave labor & conditions!!!! (although that's probably what they're
> > counting on to cut costs by going to china. I don't wanna hear about poor
> > abused children being forced into making one of the best toys invented FOR
> > children. way to go Lego, you really tick me off.
>
> That is some rather ignorant ranting. Why would you expect those single kids,
> spoiled by two parents and four grand parents, would be forced to work? And
> what is this "slave labor"? Some cold war garbage?
>
> Yes you really tick me off too.
I apologize, Ka-On Lee, for not making my point clearer. I had no intention of speaking negatively of children. I was lamenting the tendency of large corporations to abuse what they see as less developed economies by using the most vulnerable in a society for VERY cheap labor in poor working conditions. I admit, not all of China's labor force is slave labor, but i've read horror stories of large US toy companies (mattel & hasbro) & retailers (especially Wal*Mart, being the biggest, but not the only pne) being the cause of Chinese children & early teens (many being girls) to become, in effect, slave laborers in order to support their families, just so richer nations can have cheap conveniences. Some US companies are so absolutely in pusuit of profit because consumers want cheap stuff, and don't care who gets abused to make it. I REALLY try avoid the abusive companies/retailers, or if i deal with them, make sure the product is made somewhere else) Basically, my point was that i don't want my favorite toy, a source of joy for me & many other adults & children, to be made BY children in slave labor conditions. Thanks for calling me on my un-clearness b4
Jeff
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jeff Szklennik wrote:
woah! why didn't the text 'wrap' like in the
editing box? can someone fix my post (b4 this one)?
Sorry!
Jeff
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jeff Szklennik wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jeff Szklennik wrote:
>
> woah! why didn't the text 'wrap' like in the
> editing box? can someone fix my post (b4 this one)?
Not that I am aware of, as fixing spacing or linewrapping is a kind of editing
and LUGNET does not support editing.
You can repost it and request a cancel of the original post if you like, but no
one can change it, not even you, as far as I understand the system.
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