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In lugnet.general, Troy Cefaratti wrote:
> This is not directed at Tim, but rather some of the whiners that responed to his
> post above...
>
> When I first saw that BrickShelf was down, I was all gung-ho to see what I could
> do to help bring it back up. As the host for Classic-Castle, I do have have a
> dedicated server and excess bandwidth, so some help could have been provided.
>
> Now, after seeing the reaction here and elsewhere, I am rapidly starting not to
> care if you whiney vultures ever get your photos back.
>
> Kevin provided a basically free service to everyone for YEARS. Everyone used it
> without much thought tot he costs involved. Sure, he could have handled this
> latest episode better, but for now none of us know the circumstances involved.
> I know that *I* would certainly have grown tired of supporting a site for a
> bunch of ungrateful users.
>
> And as for the supposed "Lego Community"? Useless. Instead of being a true
> community and banding together to help save a pillar of the community, what to
> we get? Personal attacks on Kevin and a bunch of whining.
>
> Do something or quit your complaining.
>
> Troy
Pardon me, but if you provide a MAJOR service to a community that a huge number
of people use, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS FREE OR NOT, it is pure politeness
and respect to GIVE WARNING BEFORE YOU DISCONTINUE SERVICE. Honestly, to do
otherwise says that you don't give a shit about the community members who used
the service.
As to the reason it was taken down, I don't know. I seriously doubt it was
hacked as has been speculated, and Kevin DOES have a history of making drastic
changes with no warning. In addition, he has publicly stated that people should
always be keeping local copies of images and not to use the site as your sole
repository.
Since maj is up and running, and it uses the same account system (even the hit
counters are combined), I don't see any reason not to move the files over there.
I know maj uses far more bandwidth than BS does, so I'd be hard-pressed to say
it was a bandwidth issue. And if it WERE a cost issue, it would be FAR better
to transition it to a pay site of some kind. Many people would still use it.
All I can say is that I'm glad anything up there that I don't have on my machine
already, I don't really care about. I will miss being able to view models by
Japanese builders, however.
Jeff
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In lugnet.general, Jeff Stembel wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Troy Cefaratti wrote:
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This is not directed at Tim, but rather some of the whiners that responed to
his post above...
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**Snip**
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And as for the supposed “Lego Community”? Useless. Instead of being a true
community and banding together to help save a pillar of the community, what
to we get? Personal attacks on Kevin and a bunch of whining.
Do something or quit your complaining.
Troy
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Pardon me, but if you provide a MAJOR service to a community that a huge
number of people use, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS FREE OR NOT, it is pure
politeness and respect to GIVE WARNING BEFORE YOU DISCONTINUE SERVICE.
Honestly, to do otherwise says that you don’t give a shit about the community
members who used the service. • **snip**
Jeff
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Okay, folks--
Troy: Point made. While I am sad that this service has ended, if someone was
running it out of pocket, bless them. I do resent being called a vulture,
however--I have said nothing against a man I never met. That is unkind and
somewhat unfair--and with no information as to the why of a shutdown, is
patiently absurd. All I said was that I hoped Brickshelf was hacked--nothing
more.
Jeff: Point also made. It is respectful for such a major resource to at least
say goodbye and give say, two weeks warning. I have kept all my pics...like I
said, it’s the photo geek in me. I will miss this source of inspiration,
however. I will also miss the pics from LEGO conventions that I could not be at.
Stray thought: what would happen if we lost LUGnet? Or Bricklink? or any number
of other AFOL/LEGO related websites? It gives me pause to think through what we
might wish to consider to help those who keep these kinds of sites afloat. Might
be money, might be time....
Now, for everyone else: regardless of what has happened (and why), my question
is simple: what do we as a community do to replace--and possibly make better--a
repository for MOC pics, LEGO convention pics, etc.?
I guess what I am asking is this: Instead of carping and complaining about what
we’ve lost (for whatever reason), what do we do now--and where do we do it? Can
we make this negative a positive, somehow?
And, do we all need to pitch in a small fee--annual or otherwise--to keep such a
place afloat?
Seems to me that’d be the spirit of “Play Well.”
Play Well and Prosper,
Matthew
“The Brick Detective”
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In lugnet.general, Jeff Stembel wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Troy Cefaratti wrote:
> >
> > Do something or quit your complaining.
>
> Pardon me, but if you provide a MAJOR service to a community that a huge number
> of people use, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS FREE OR NOT, it is pure politeness
> and respect to GIVE WARNING BEFORE YOU DISCONTINUE SERVICE. Honestly, to do
> otherwise says that you don't give a shit about the community members who used
> the service.
It says nothing of the sort. As a JLUG admin we had a similar decision to make
very recently, and chose the same path. We had no obligation to warn anyone,
even though we had a picture gallery with pics people may not have kept a copy
of. That's just the way things go sometimes. Heck, I even helped Kevin with
monetary support on a couple of occasions and I still don't feel I had any right
to expect a warning.
While I will miss Brickshelf as a resource, and just the occasional random
browse, my main issue is fixing my pages that relied on it. But I should never
have relied on it, so that's my fault anyway, not Kevin's.
And like Troy said, the best thing is to do something instead of just
complaining - the JLUG regulars had a new forum up within hours, and chat within
a few days. And people here called them community misfits.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Jeff Stembel wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Troy Cefaratti wrote:
> > >
> > > Do something or quit your complaining.
> >
> > Pardon me, but if you provide a MAJOR service to a community that a huge number
> > of people use, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS FREE OR NOT, it is pure politeness
> > and respect to GIVE WARNING BEFORE YOU DISCONTINUE SERVICE. Honestly, to do
> > otherwise says that you don't give a shit about the community members who used
> > the service.
>
> It says nothing of the sort. As a JLUG admin we had a similar decision to make
> very recently, and chose the same path. We had no obligation to warn anyone,
> even though we had a picture gallery with pics people may not have kept a copy
> of. That's just the way things go sometimes. Heck, I even helped Kevin with
> monetary support on a couple of occasions and I still don't feel I had any right
> to expect a warning.
>
> While I will miss Brickshelf as a resource, and just the occasional random
> browse, my main issue is fixing my pages that relied on it. But I should never
> have relied on it, so that's my fault anyway, not Kevin's.
>
> And like Troy said, the best thing is to do something instead of just
> complaining - the JLUG regulars had a new forum up within hours, and chat within
> a few days. And people here called them community misfits.
>
> ROSCO
So how do we fix lugnet post links?
Tim
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In lugnet.general, Tim David wrote:
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> So how do we fix lugnet post links?
Same as you've always had to do when a site linked here disappeared - repost
with a new link, or live with it.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
> And like Troy said, the best thing is to do something instead of just
> complaining - the JLUG regulars had a new forum up within hours, and chat
> within a few days.
And I hear the 'Invite To Chat' function is going to be ready pretty soon too.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
Stajinaria Community Overlooker
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In lugnet.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Jeff Stembel wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Troy Cefaratti wrote:
> > >
> > > Do something or quit your complaining.
> >
> > Pardon me, but if you provide a MAJOR service to a community that a huge number
> > of people use, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS FREE OR NOT, it is pure politeness
> > and respect to GIVE WARNING BEFORE YOU DISCONTINUE SERVICE. Honestly, to do
> > otherwise says that you don't give a shit about the community members who used
> > the service.
>
> It says nothing of the sort. As a JLUG admin we had a similar decision to make
> very recently, and chose the same path. We had no obligation to warn anyone,
> even though we had a picture gallery with pics people may not have kept a copy
> of. That's just the way things go sometimes. Heck, I even helped Kevin with
> monetary support on a couple of occasions and I still don't feel I had any right
> to expect a warning.
Different situation; there were issues beyond your control involved with the
loss of data and the lack of backups. In addition, discussion of the situation
was out in the open.
Jeff
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