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In lugnet.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Thomas Main wrote:
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In lugnet.general, C. L. GunningCook wrote:
...a lot of good stuff worth considering
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That is a very interesting little image you have there. Why did you make it?
What is the message you are trying to send?
On a broader note, I have heard a lot about mistrust between Ambassadors and
non-Ambassadors, but I don’t exactly understand why. Within the Castle and
Space communities there is some envy about who has an NDA and who doesn’t,
but I don’t see any mistrust at all. On the opposite point of view, I feel
that there is a lot of trust that we will accurately communicate the
communities concerns to TLG and fight to get what the community wants.
So, the question is, if you mistrust the Ambassadors or the Ambassador
community: Why? What is it that you think Ambassadors aren’t doing or aren’t
doing enough of? What would you like to see done differently?
-Lenny
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I have to agree with Lenny on this one, I don’t see a reason why there would be
any mistrust?
Is it the thought that we may be saying one thing and know that to not be the
truth? Although we do have some extra information that we cannot pubicly
release, we would not intentionally tell the communities something that we know
not to be true. That being said, if things change and we have said something in
the past that is no longer valid, we will endeavour to make that information
public as soon as we are allowed.
Just recently with the 9 volt train issues, we saw that people were asking
important questions on the different forums, and with in a few days, we were
able to get a statement from Lego explaning what the ongoing plan was for 9 volt
trains. Now it might not be what people wanted to hear, but it is the truth.
This brings up an intresting point, because of ambassadors (and others under
NDA) we are able to get the communities concerns and questions address by LEGO
and (hopefully, if the question does not violate any NDA’s) answered as quickly
as possible.
Everyone under NDA (well maybe with Exception to Steve Hassenplug (1) ;) ) ,
share the concerns of the general AFOL community, we want metal tracks as much
at the rest of you, and we are voicing our opinions within our NDA related
groups and publicly, talking, and trying to see what we can do to allow metal
track to continue to be produced.
Personally, I understand that LEGO is a business, and as a business, must do
what is best to ensure the company stays profitable.
At the same time I think that creating a play train line that is slated for a
younger age range, to continue a childs interest from an earlier age (Thomas,
and the DUPLO trains). Is a great idea! I see Thomas, and the DUPLO trains in
the retail stores, and they seem to sell well. I think a play train line, with
more track then any 9 volt set ever carried and battery powered train, sold at a
lower cost with MORE track and brick per dollar will sell well! These sales of
Play Train and Duplo trains, will hopefully make retailers look at what other
train related items LEGO has. if the 9 volt line is no longer there to support a
young persons growing intrest in trains, then TLC will be losing out in the long
run.
As a Hobby Train enthusiast, The loss of 9 volt trains will cause us problems,
if not now then in the future. when Motors stop working, but until then, I will
keep on using 9 volt trains, and at the same time see if it is possible to
integrate the hobby train line into our layouts. Perhaps by using the RCX and
rechargable battries, of by some magical future technology like nuclear
battaries or something :)
In the long run I am considering the worst, but trying to work with in the
community and with the ambassadors. to try to keep one of my favorite aspects of
the LEGO hobby a reality..
Jeff (who has been known to go off on tangets) VW
(1) Sorry Steve, it has been a while since I poked fun at you... :)
(2) Wow I think this is one of the longest posts I have written... :|
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In lugnet.general, Jeff Van Winden wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Thomas Main wrote:
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In lugnet.general, C. L. GunningCook wrote:
...a lot of good stuff worth considering
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That is a very interesting little image you have there. Why did you make
it? What is the message you are trying to send?
On a broader note, I have heard a lot about mistrust between Ambassadors and
non-Ambassadors, but I don’t exactly understand why. Within the Castle and
Space communities there is some envy about who has an NDA and who doesn’t,
but I don’t see any mistrust at all. On the opposite point of view, I feel
that there is a lot of trust that we will accurately communicate the
communities concerns to TLG and fight to get what the community wants.
So, the question is, if you mistrust the Ambassadors or the Ambassador
community: Why? What is it that you think Ambassadors aren’t doing or
aren’t doing enough of? What would you like to see done differently?
-Lenny
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I have to agree with Lenny on this one, I don’t see a reason why there would
be any mistrust?
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HI Jeff, are you coming to the rtl dinner on Thurs?
I didn’t see ANY reference to mistrust, or lies in this entire thread. Those
seem to be words Lenny used.
Neither Janey or anyone else ever accused any NDA’er of lying.
To paraphrase what has been said, is that the spirit of the original intent of
the “ambassador” program seems to be ... “lacking.”
Tell me Jeff, since I first congratulated you for becoming an ambassador, how
many times have you “spread the word?” I can’t recall any time. On the other
hand , I ~HAVE~ seen you post a few questionnaires asking us questions and
looking for feedback.
I say that is best summarized by Toms logo. Mainly silence from the
ambassadors, and unhappy AFOLS who want the “scoop”
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Jeff (who has been known to go off on tangets) VW
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Chris
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In lugnet.general, Chris Magno wrote:
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I didn’t see ANY reference to mistrust, or lies in this entire thread. Those
seem to be words Lenny used.
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“and a certain amount of distrust both between and within them.” From
here
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Neither Janey or anyone else ever accused any NDA’er of lying.
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Then where does the lack of trust come from? Or to use your words, what is the
problem?
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To paraphrase what has been said, is that the spirit of the original intent
of the “ambassador” program seems to be ... “lacking.”
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What was the original intent, and how is it lacking?
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I ~HAVE~ seen you post a few questionnaires asking us questions
and looking for feedback.
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From the Ambassador point of view: we got an email from Steve saying SAH would
like some community feedback, and asked if we could post those questions on
various newsgroups. Which is what we did. Why were we asked that? My guess is
they wanted help coming up with ideas for new sets, sets that would appeal to
AFOLs. I don’t see why that is a problem.
How was the information used? Honestly, I have no idea.
What is it you were expecting? What do you want to be different?
-Lenny
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In lugnet.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Chris Magno wrote:
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I didn’t see ANY reference to mistrust, or lies in this entire thread.
Those seem to be words Lenny used.
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“and a certain amount of distrust both between and within them.” From
here
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Well then, I sit corrected on the “mis/dis” trust phrase. If you want to argue
semantics, then might I suggest moving this to .debate.
In the mean time, both YOU and Jeff, came out guns blazing, trying your
darnedest to make sure you set “us” all straight. To quote some dead guy...
“me thinks thou doth protest too much”
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Neither Janey or anyone else ever accused any NDA’er of lying.
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Then where does the lack of trust come from? Or to use your words, what is
the problem?
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have no problem, than again I’m am a pessimistic jaded bitter man(1)
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With the sentence you are quoting me on, I think you proved to me and yourself
that maybe you need to ask others about the “lack of trust.“(2)
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To paraphrase what has been said, is that the spirit of the original intent
of the “ambassador” program seems to be ... “lacking.”
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What was the original intent, and how is it lacking?
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I can not speak to the “official” intent of the program. I can only speak for
myself here, but, I feel the lack of communication from ambassadors and others
under NDA is what is perceived to be at issue.
The lacking comes from the (perceived) ONE WAY communications. Whats not to
get. When has an ambassador said or revealed ANYTHING that Jake, or now Steve
can’t say? They both type good english. (3)
So what are the ambassadors for? Are the ambassador merely just puppets sent
out to gather needed data? I dont know.
So, going back, I was originally under the impression that the ambassador
program was a way for TLC to release “tidbits”, and “gosh-gee” cool news. What
I think has happened is that overly nervous lawyers have shackled the AFOLS’ and
those that are not in fear of the lawyers, are in fear of their peers.(4)
So that leaves Jeff et all with being allowed to ask survey questions.
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I ~HAVE~ seen you post a few questionnaires asking us questions
and looking for feedback.
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From the Ambassador point of view: we got an email from Steve saying SAH
would like some community feedback, and asked if we could post those
questions on various newsgroups. Which is what we did. Why were we asked
that? My guess is they wanted help coming up with ideas for new sets, sets
that would appeal to AFOLs. I don’t see why that is a problem.
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That is not the problem, but Lenny, communication is a TWO WAY thing. And I dont
mean you ask a questions and I give you an answers.
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How was the information used? Honestly, I have no idea.
What is it you were expecting? What do you want to be different?
-Lenny
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Again, I expect nothing. I am jaded. What I THINK others want to be different
is to be able to HEAR more tidbits, and “gosh gee” stuff.
Let me try a different approach.
Lenny, how come I am not seeing weekly or even MONTHLY top SPOTLIGHT’s posts
from ambassadors on the main page?
How come I am NOT seeing the follow up replys along the lines of
(WARNING - made up to help express a point)
“DID ya see what jeff said? Bley is being removed from the line up”
or
“WOW Kelly, GREAT NEWS, its nice to see that lego is THINKING about putting
metal back on the tracks”
or how about
“wow Richie, who knew that lego was contemplating a new THEME park in Sydney
thanks for this tidbit”
(end WARNING)
That would be how I foresaw how the ambassador program worked.
Chris
1. Not only is the glass half empty, I want to know who STOLE my water!
2. http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=52437
3. unlike me
4. There is a good chance that if you broke the NDA you would NOT get sued till
the cows come home, BUT, you can sure as heck bet that TLC would think TWICE
about including AFOLS again, AND thats a peer pressure even MORE threatening
that lawyers.
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In lugnet.general, Chris Magno wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Jeff Van Winden wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Thomas Main wrote:
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In lugnet.general, C. L. GunningCook wrote:
...a lot of good stuff worth considering
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(snip)
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That is a very interesting little image you have there. Why did you make
it? What is the message you are trying to send?
On a broader note, I have heard a lot about mistrust between Ambassadors
and non-Ambassadors, but I don’t exactly understand why. Within the Castle
and Space communities there is some envy about who has an NDA and who
doesn’t, but I don’t see any mistrust at all. On the opposite point of
view, I feel that there is a lot of trust that we will accurately
communicate the communities concerns to TLG and fight to get what the
community wants.
So, the question is, if you mistrust the Ambassadors or the Ambassador
community: Why? What is it that you think Ambassadors aren’t doing or
aren’t doing enough of? What would you like to see done differently?
-Lenny
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I have to agree with Lenny on this one, I don’t see a reason why there would
be any mistrust?
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HI Jeff, are you coming to the rtl dinner on Thurs?
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I do plan on being there, and at that time I can explain why I have not been at
any rtl Events for the past month :(
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I didn’t see ANY reference to mistrust, or lies in this entire thread. Those
seem to be words Lenny used.
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Neither Janey or anyone else ever accused any NDA’er of lying.
To paraphrase what has been said, is that the spirit of the original intent
of the “ambassador” program seems to be ... “lacking.”
Tell me Jeff, since I first congratulated you for becoming an ambassador, how
many times have you “spread the word?” I can’t recall any time. On the
other hand , I ~HAVE~ seen you post a few questionnaires asking us questions
and looking for feedback.
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In all honesty Chris, and everyone else reading this, until just recently, we
were not given information about new ‘golly gee’ kind of things to make public.
We are only now being let into some of the up and comming things, that are in
the pipeline. We hope for more of this type of infor to come in the future, and
we are very eager to be the ones that get to be able to release that info to you
all.
Last cycle was sort of slow being in the end of the year, where product
development happens at a slower pace. I can remember a few times during the last
cycle that we were told about something new, on the same day as it was release
publicly, or leaked via a dealear catalog. Or we found the Leak and had to ask
if it was real or not.
I have to cut this short as I need to head home, but we can talk some more
tomorrow.
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I say that is best summarized by Toms logo. Mainly silence from the
ambassadors, and unhappy AFOLS who want the “scoop”
(snip)
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Jeff (who has been known to go off on tangets) VW
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Chris
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