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Los Angeles Times, A22. Oh, a quick search later, here's the web site:
http://www.lionlamb.org/Dirty_02-03.htm
Galidor "Ooni" is being held up as one of 12 most violent toys and games. I
gotta do one cut and paste from the site:
"While the Galidor action figures are not nearly as violent as many others,
children may still use them for fantasy fighting."
So one wonders why it should be singled out, but hey, my son and I are
playing Burnout 2, which is also on the list.
They go on to mention the increasing level of Lego-inspired mayhem with the
Star Wars and Bionicle lines (what they think Lego minifigs did with edged
weapons in the Castle line for the last couple of decades is beyond me).
-->Bruce<--
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In lugnet.general, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> Los Angeles Times, A22. Oh, a quick search later, here's the web site:
>
> http://www.lionlamb.org/Dirty_02-03.htm
>
> Galidor "Ooni" is being held up as one of 12 most violent toys and games. I
> gotta do one cut and paste from the site:
>
> "While the Galidor action figures are not nearly as violent as many others,
> children may still use them for fantasy fighting."
I found this new book at the library:
Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe
Violence by Gerard Jones
It has a chapter about Power Rangers, Power Puff Girls, and a great deal
about video games.
I only had the book for 15 minutes (you couldn't check it out), so take the
title as an outline of it. The author is a proponent of make-believe violence.
-Erik
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In lugnet.general, Erik Olson writes:
> I found this new book at the library:
>
> Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe
> Violence by Gerard Jones
<snip>
> The author is a proponent of make-believe violence.
>
> -Erik
I haven't read the book (or heard of it until now), but Gerard Jones is also
an author of superhero comic books, whose own interests are perhaps served
by this stance.
More on topic, however, I think it's sad that the _potential_ play of
children is what seems to be ranking lego amongst these other toys. My wife
claims she did terrible things to her Barbies as a child-- does that make
the toy itself violent? As for me and lego, same thing... I don't think it
makes me a bad person now.
stuart
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In lugnet.general, Erik Olson writes:
> In lugnet.general, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > Los Angeles Times, A22. Oh, a quick search later, here's the web site:
> >
> > http://www.lionlamb.org/Dirty_02-03.htm
> >
> > Galidor "Ooni" is being held up as one of 12 most violent toys and games. I
> > gotta do one cut and paste from the site:
> >
> > "While the Galidor action figures are not nearly as violent as many others,
> > children may still use them for fantasy fighting."
>
> I found this new book at the library:
>
> Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe
> Violence by Gerard Jones
>
> It has a chapter about Power Rangers, Power Puff Girls, and a great deal
> about video games.
>
> I only had the book for 15 minutes (you couldn't check it out), so take the
> title as an outline of it. The author is a proponent of make-believe violence.
I think it is interesting that violence and conflict are so often used
interchangeably. One is not the other. Conflict (and conflict resolution)
are an amazingly important part of childhood development. Child researchers
for years have pointed out the advantages of helping kids learn how to deal
with conflict and the world around them in an effective way. Imagine if kids
never learned anything about how to resolve conflict...not good.
Jake
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LEGO Enthusiast
Webmaster - B.I. Portal
http://www.bricksonthebrain.com/instructions
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>
> I found this new book at the library:
>
> Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe
> Violence by Gerard Jones
>
> It has a chapter about Power Rangers, Power Puff Girls, and a great deal
> about video games.
>
> I only had the book for 15 minutes (you couldn't check it out), so take the
> title as an outline of it. The author is a proponent of make-believe violence.
>
> -Erik
Hey,
I actually have read this book, and it's very well written and well thought
out. It is the same author that worked for Marvel and several indy comic
companies in the early and mid-90's. A big part of his book was that adults
don't give kids enough credit for distinguishing fantasy vs. reality, and
that kids need an outlet for tension, and that a lot of times, tea parties
aren't going to cut it. A good read for anyone with kids, close to kids, or
interested in the "child violence is in the environment" debate.
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Ack.
Dunno why Ooni has been singled out... but I think the reason was more
because of Lego's shift towords action figures and slightly violent films
that triggered Lego's place on the 'Dirty Dozen.'
But after all, it's Galidor. Still, this is not good for Lego's old
reputation as a reletively non-violent toy.
-JHK
In lugnet.general, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> Los Angeles Times, A22. Oh, a quick search later, here's the web site:
>
> http://www.lionlamb.org/Dirty_02-03.htm
>
> Galidor "Ooni" is being held up as one of 12 most violent toys and games. I
> gotta do one cut and paste from the site:
>
> "While the Galidor action figures are not nearly as violent as many others,
> children may still use them for fantasy fighting."
>
> So one wonders why it should be singled out, but hey, my son and I are
> playing Burnout 2, which is also on the list.
>
> They go on to mention the increasing level of Lego-inspired mayhem with the
> Star Wars and Bionicle lines (what they think Lego minifigs did with edged
> weapons in the Castle line for the last couple of decades is beyond me).
>
> -->Bruce<--
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> "While the Galidor action figures are not nearly as violent as many others,
> children may still use them for fantasy fighting."
Name one thing that kids can't use for fantasy fighting.
A friend used to make swords out of pipe insulation tubes and have full contact
sword fights...
Best,
/Tobbe
http://www.lotek.nu
(remove SPAM when e-mailing)
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I hear you dude. Apparently kids all over America are killing their families
with K'nex. :p
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Who picks this list??? Honestly who throws a shoe? Anyways, notice we got a
Gun Sniper from Zoids on there. It looks like a skinless robotic wolf with
a straight tail that is a 'gun'. It hardly looks realistic, and then the
Nerf Zerg? It's made by Nerf, any kid knows Nerf means, "safe and soft".
There's no harm there. I like how they emphasize on those "dangerous" toys
and then at the bottom they have Vice City. Not to bash it, it's my new
favorite game, but it's not for kids. Nobody said it was. Of course kids
will buy it, but that doesn't mean they made it for kids. Next thing you
know they'll say cigarettes are made for kids, oh wait, they say that
already. But anyways, they put a Galidor fig on there and no WWF? or GI
Joe? GI Joe has nothing but guns, and did they finally stop protesting the
violence of pro wrestling? Dunno, but the list lacks serious credibility.
In lugnet.general, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> Los Angeles Times, A22. Oh, a quick search later, here's the web site:
>
> http://www.lionlamb.org/Dirty_02-03.htm
>
> Galidor "Ooni" is being held up as one of 12 most violent toys and games. I
> gotta do one cut and paste from the site:
>
> "While the Galidor action figures are not nearly as violent as many others,
> children may still use them for fantasy fighting."
>
> So one wonders why it should be singled out, but hey, my son and I are
> playing Burnout 2, which is also on the list.
>
> They go on to mention the increasing level of Lego-inspired mayhem with the
> Star Wars and Bionicle lines (what they think Lego minifigs did with edged
> weapons in the Castle line for the last couple of decades is beyond me).
>
> -->Bruce<--
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My thoughts exactly, Erick. In fact I emailed the group that put this
together and used almost the same examples you did. Except I forgot GI Joe,
how could I have forgotten GI Joe?
Josh
In lugnet.general, Erick Jensen writes:
> Who picks this list??? Honestly who throws a shoe? Anyways, notice we got a
> Gun Sniper from Zoids on there. It looks like a skinless robotic wolf with
> a straight tail that is a 'gun'. It hardly looks realistic, and then the
> Nerf Zerg? It's made by Nerf, any kid knows Nerf means, "safe and soft".
> There's no harm there. I like how they emphasize on those "dangerous" toys
> and then at the bottom they have Vice City. Not to bash it, it's my new
> favorite game, but it's not for kids. Nobody said it was. Of course kids
> will buy it, but that doesn't mean they made it for kids. Next thing you
> know they'll say cigarettes are made for kids, oh wait, they say that
> already. But anyways, they put a Galidor fig on there and no WWF? or GI
> Joe? GI Joe has nothing but guns, and did they finally stop protesting the
> violence of pro wrestling? Dunno, but the list lacks serious credibility.
>
>
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It's my impression that the authors of this list would also rank breathing,
eating, and sleeping as being violent (it expends energy) In fact, any
sudden movement of the human body could be classified as violent.
Protect the easily offended...BAN EVERYTHING!!!
-Harvey
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In lugnet.general, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> Galidor "Ooni" is being held up as one of 12 most violent toys and games. I
> gotta do one cut and paste from the site:
Every year around this time, morons like these post a "consumer protection
list" of toys/games that are violent and destructive towards the education of
our young. These are the same narrow minded simpletons that successfully got
all Bug Bunny cartoons edited for network television because some kid might
drop an anvil on his friend's head. And now, they are attacking LEGO for
creating a violent action figure? And their Star Wars line?? Give me a break!
The best thing about toys like this is that aside from expanding a childs
imagination beyond the constraints imposed on them in schools, it CLEARLY
defines the Good vs. Evil theme that is embedded throught our religions,
society and psychie. If it were only that easy to identify it in real life.
Perhaps these groups would feel better if LEGO created a new addition to the
City Theme called "Corporate Greed" and created minifigs of corrupt CEO's, Stock
Brokers, Accountants, etc and maybe put out a replica of the Enron/WorldCom
headquarters. Then, kids could play their favorite DA, ATF, FBI agent and
arrest said "bad guys" and send them through the LEGO "Federal Court Building"
Set for due process. I only have one thing to say to people like this: Get a
FREAKIN' life!
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In lugnet.general, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> Los Angeles Times, A22. Oh, a quick search later, here's the web site:
>
> http://www.lionlamb.org/Dirty_02-03.htm
>
> Galidor "Ooni" is being held up as one of 12 most violent toys and games. I
> gotta do one cut and paste from the site:
>
> "While the Galidor action figures are not nearly as violent as many others,
> children may still use them for fantasy fighting."
>
> So one wonders why it should be singled out, but hey, my son and I are
> playing Burnout 2, which is also on the list.
>
> They go on to mention the increasing level of Lego-inspired mayhem with the
> Star Wars and Bionicle lines (what they think Lego minifigs did with edged
> weapons in the Castle line for the last couple of decades is beyond me).
>
> -->Bruce<--
Is this so called 'consumer protection' agency a joke? The results
of their research are definitely pushing the limits a bit. I
couldn't help but laugh while reading this.
My beliefs support the fact that discretion should be paid
towards what one would purchase, and common sense dictates
that action figures nerf guns, and whatnot definitely don't
proliferate violence, if anything, helping to develop ones
imagination or physical/mental agility.
Did any of these 'researchers' actually read the warnings
on the paintball cannons or computer games? They're rated
MATURE, meaning that minors aren't supposed to play them,
and the parent should pay discretion when choosing such a
product!
I find this list to be completely pointless, and a just waste
of time, so long as the product does not post a fatal hazard,
or propogate foreign propaganda (talking and explosive Osama
action figure, anyone?), then I'm all for it. Overall, the
ethical decision of which items to purchase, should be left
in the hands of the guardian.
So to say, I find little convincing about their galidor
review. If anything, if kids are to fantasy fight with a
figure, that's fine, so as long as they don't pick up
large swords and whack each other. (like they're going
to anyway. Common sense, people!)
Peace out,
<<_Matt Hein_>>
Fellow lego enthusiast
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