| | | | | In lugnet.castle, John P. Henderson writes:
> I have often wondered how someone in his
> day and age could have succeeded in such a thing with some inquisition
> threatening his life.
For a real cloak-and-dagger story, go back 2-3 centuries to Siger of Brabant
and William of Ockham:
Siger successfully defied the eccesiastical authorities in Paris for years
until he was finally silenced in 1277. He got the dagger from his own
secretary about 1281. Siger was a radical in the development of logic and
science.
William Ockham, called "the First Protestant", was summoned by the Pope (the
one at Avignon) in 1329 and accused of heresy after four years of waiting.
Ockham fled the Pope's henchmen by night and reached safety in Bavaria.
(Think of this as the cloak part of this story.)
Ockham's chief trouble had to do with suggesting the Universe was older than
God, but he is remembered today for trying to pare down silly arguments.
-Erik
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| In lugnet.castle, Erik Olson writes:
> For a real cloak-and-dagger story, go back 2-3 centuries to Siger of Brabant
> and William of Ockham:
>
> Siger successfully defied the eccesiastical authorities in Paris for years
> until he was finally silenced in 1277. He got the dagger from his own
> secretary about 1281. Siger was a radical in the development of logic and
> science.
>
> William Ockham, called "the First Protestant", was summoned by the Pope (the
> one at Avignon) in 1329 and accused of heresy after four years of waiting.
> Ockham fled the Pope's henchmen by night and reached safety in Bavaria.
> (Think of this as the cloak part of this story.)
>
> Ockham's chief trouble had to do with suggesting the Universe was older than
> God, but he is remembered today for trying to pare down silly arguments.
Wasn't William of Ockham mentioned in Umberto Eco's novel "The name of the
Rose"? The secondary action is around a theological debate about heretic
beliefs (*), and I suppose he's one of debators.
(In any case, that is one fine book for understanding some of the medieval
Church history/philosophy)
Countless other victims of the Inquisition were condemned for attempting
some sort of Reform...
However, not all of them were on the same side of the spectre (yes, the
Church did condemn people for fanaticism as well!). Geronimo Savonarola ran
Florence as a teocracy for a while, but became too annoying for the
hierarchy and went to the stake...
Funny how few people know that there were also attempts to reform the Church
*the other way* :-)
Pedro
(*) - among such beliefs is the Franciscan statement that Christ did not own
anything... again, Church income is the focus of doctrinal contestation
(like Luther and the Indulgences).
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.castle, Pedro Silva writes:
> Countless other victims of the Inquisition were condemned for attempting
> some sort of Reform...
> However, not all of them were on the same side of the spectre (yes, the
> Church did condemn people for fanaticism as well!). Geronimo Savonarola ran
> Florence as a teocracy for a while, but became too annoying for the
> hierarchy and went to the stake...
>
> Funny how few people know that there were also attempts to reform the Church
> *the other way* :-)
I don't think we're talking about the same issue, so, I challenge you to
explain yourself in Lego (:
I will also build something...
JoJo started this.. yeah!
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| In lugnet.castle, Erik Olson writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Pedro Silva writes:
>
> > Countless other victims of the Inquisition were condemned for attempting
> > some sort of Reform...
> > However, not all of them were on the same side of the spectre (yes, the
> > Church did condemn people for fanaticism as well!). Geronimo Savonarola ran
> > Florence as a teocracy for a while, but became too annoying for the
> > hierarchy and went to the stake...
> >
> > Funny how few people know that there were also attempts to reform the Church
> > *the other way* :-)
>
> I don't think we're talking about the same issue, so, I challenge you to
> explain yourself in Lego (:
:-S
We are talkin about attempts to reform the Church, right?
Luther started "the" Reform, which was good. Ockham had attempted "a" reform
(no capital R), and failed. Savonarola attempted "a" reform, but this one
was meant towards a more strict reading of the Scriptures (although at first
he only wanted to get Florence rid of moral corruption, pretty soon he began
preaching against everyone alive).
I'm afraid I can be of little help in building anything for this subject out
of LEGO (not enough castle parts, sorry). But I can give an idea... a stake
with an "all black" creepy lookin' monk burning in it, surrounded by
florentine buildings of the Renaissance. That oughta give some work to
build! :-)
> I will also build something...
>
> JoJo started this.. yeah!
:-)
And a good idea it is, to have historical events like this depicted in LEGO!
Have fun building,
Pedro
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.castle, Pedro Silva writes:
> I'm afraid I can be of little help in building anything for this subject out
> of LEGO (not enough castle parts, sorry). But I can give an idea... a stake
> with an "all black" creepy lookin' monk burning in it, surrounded by
> florentine buildings of the Renaissance. That oughta give some work to
> build! :-)
Although I sent already a week ago, well not a black monk on the stake but
rather Joan D'Arc
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=27872
>
> > I will also build something...
> >
> > JoJo started this.. yeah!
>
> :-)
> And a good idea it is, to have historical events like this depicted in LEGO!
agree
>
> Have fun building,
>
>
> Pedro
P.S. Why you still havn't entered you're name on our 'Loyal to .castle?' list
Yaron "Webrain" Dori
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