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In lugnet.build, Richard Parsons writes:
> > In lugnet.build, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> >
> > I built a little boat.
> >
> > http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~lfbraun/Friedrich-der-Grosse.html
>
> Just stupendous Lindsay.
>
> The snot-wise approach to hull design has worked a treat, the turrets
> (always my worry) are wonderful, and the detail around the superstructure is
> glorious.
Hey, thanks! It's no pagoda--that'll have to wait for another
day--but I'm partial to it as well. I thought you'd also appreciate
that little front-page backstory. ;)
> I think another day in the sun for the HMS Valhalla and HMS Indescribable,
> and then it will be time to send them off to the breakers, and build
> someting truly capital. Must drag out my books and start looking for
> something appropriately WWI from the Royal or Royal Australian navies. Not
> sure that Australia ever really had much in the way ships to threaten FdG,
> but there has got to be away to restore security in the Pacific. Actually,
> maybe the best idea is to go back to one of the original British aircraft
> carriers.
If you want to get technical, the battlecruiser _Australia_, of
the relatively unfortunate _Indefatigable_ class, was paid for by
Australia (just as _New Zealand_ was paid for by NZ), and was thus
placed at the disposal of Australia at the outbreak of war--this
especially so, given that Graf Spee was busily causing mayhem in
the Pacific at that time. _Australia_ was one of the very few
ships Spee really and truly feared, because he couldn't outrun
it *and* couldn't outfight it.
HMAS Australia was a pioneer in several ways--in 1917 she tested
a flying-off platform for large warships at sea, and she was also
IIRC the first "dreadnought" on permanent Imperial service. But
alas, the Washington naval treaty got her, and she was taken out
of service in 1921 and scuttled off Sydney in 1924, where the
remanants of her wreckage remains to this day.
So, there you go!
> My NLSO is already concerned about where the slips for this new ship will be
> located in the house....
Make direct comparisons between the size of the NLSO and the size
of the ship. They just *love* that.
best
LFB
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In lugnet.build, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> In lugnet.build, Richard Parsons writes:
> >
> > I think another day in the sun for the HMS Valhalla and HMS Indescribable,
> > and then it will be time to send them off to the breakers, and build
> > someting truly capital. Must drag out my books and start looking for
> > something appropriately WWI from the Royal or Royal Australian navies. Not
> > sure that Australia ever really had much in the way ships to threaten FdG,
> > but there has got to be away to restore security in the Pacific. Actually,
> > maybe the best idea is to go back to one of the original British aircraft
> > carriers.
>
> If you want to get technical, the battlecruiser _Australia_, of
> the relatively unfortunate _Indefatigable_ class, was paid for by
> Australia (just as _New Zealand_ was paid for by NZ), and was thus
> placed at the disposal of Australia at the outbreak of war--this
> especially so, given that Graf Spee was busily causing mayhem in
> the Pacific at that time. _Australia_ was one of the very few
> ships Spee really and truly feared, because he couldn't outrun
> it *and* couldn't outfight it.
>
> HMAS Australia was a pioneer in several ways--in 1917 she tested
> a flying-off platform for large warships at sea, and she was also
> IIRC the first "dreadnought" on permanent Imperial service. But
> alas, the Washington naval treaty got her, and she was taken out
> of service in 1921 and scuttled off Sydney in 1924, where the
> remanants of her wreckage remains to this day.
Mmmm. Research is pointing in the same direction. Either HMAS Australia
(and let's not talk about the pushing and shoving with the New Zealand which
kept her out of Jutland - she may have suffered the same fate as
Indefatigable...), or perhaps HMS Furious in one of her many aircraft
oriented variations. Either way I get to keep at least two of my biplanes.
Got to check my (basically non-existent) stock of grey 2x2 rounds and grey
1x1 LFB railing clips before attempting a battlecruiser - its all a bit
academic without guns, and the crew have difficulty remaining crew without
railings, no?
Richard
Still baldly going...
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In lugnet.build, Richard Parsons writes:
> In lugnet.build, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> > In lugnet.build, Richard Parsons writes:
> > >
> > > I think another day in the sun for the HMS Valhalla and HMS Indescribable,
> > > and then it will be time to send them off to the breakers, and build
> > > someting truly capital. Must drag out my books and start looking for
> > > something appropriately WWI from the Royal or Royal Australian navies. Not
> > > sure that Australia ever really had much in the way ships to threaten FdG,
> > > but there has got to be away to restore security in the Pacific. Actually,
> > > maybe the best idea is to go back to one of the original British aircraft
> > > carriers.
> >
> > If you want to get technical, the battlecruiser _Australia_, of
> > the relatively unfortunate _Indefatigable_ class, was paid for by
> > Australia (just as _New Zealand_ was paid for by NZ), and was thus
> > placed at the disposal of Australia at the outbreak of war--this
> > especially so, given that Graf Spee was busily causing mayhem in
> > the Pacific at that time. _Australia_ was one of the very few
> > ships Spee really and truly feared, because he couldn't outrun
> > it *and* couldn't outfight it.
> >
> > HMAS Australia was a pioneer in several ways--in 1917 she tested
> > a flying-off platform for large warships at sea, and she was also
> > IIRC the first "dreadnought" on permanent Imperial service. But
> > alas, the Washington naval treaty got her, and she was taken out
> > of service in 1921 and scuttled off Sydney in 1924, where the
> > remanants of her wreckage remains to this day.
>
> Mmmm. Research is pointing in the same direction. Either HMAS Australia
> (and let's not talk about the pushing and shoving with the New Zealand which
> kept her out of Jutland - she may have suffered the same fate as
> Indefatigable...),
Heh. I forgot about that when I wrote this--Australia's only
capital ship, NZ's only capital ship, millions of square miles
of ocean, and *bump*.
Fortunately, the design flaw had nothing to do with the side
protection...
> or perhaps HMS Furious in one of her many aircraft
> oriented variations. Either way I get to keep at least two of my biplanes.
Or _Courageous_ or _Glorious_...or would they be HMS
_Curious_, _Spurious_, and _Outrageous_? :)
> Got to check my (basically non-existent) stock of grey 2x2 rounds and grey
> 1x1 LFB railing clips before attempting a battlecruiser - its all a bit
> academic without guns, and the crew have difficulty remaining crew without
> railings, no?
I don't know, I think your carrier railings are really quite nice.
They certainly look better, but granted, that becomes immaterial if
you start negotiating curves.
BTW, interesting site on ship naming:
http://www.downport.com/freelancetraveller/features/shipyard/naming.html
Found en passant.
best
LFB
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In lugnet.build, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> HMAS Australia was a pioneer in several ways--in 1917 she tested
> a flying-off platform for large warships at sea, and she was also
> IIRC the first "dreadnought" on permanent Imperial service.
HMAS Australia it is. Somewhere around 320 long by 42 wide I think
Hull design and template test complete
12 inch barrel design complete
grey capability confirmed
tan capability under review
Being built (perhaps entirely) of heretical materials, I doubt we'll see the
same glorious detail as aboard FdG, but she'll still cut an attractive
silhouette.
I liked the shots of the FdG in progress too. Must get some film for my
camera.
If I'm really really lucky, I might get to keep Indescribable, and refit her
weapons, bow and stern to c1910.
Richard
Still baldly going...
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In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> I liked the shots of the FdG in progress too. Must get some film for my
> camera.
Turret and hull template: http://www.ozbricks.com/portblock/yar/009.htm
I'm only now discovering the joy of snot. Cool!!
;-)
Richard
Still baldly going...
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In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
>
> > I liked the shots of the FdG in progress too. Must get some film for my
> > camera.
>
> Turret and hull template: http://www.ozbricks.com/portblock/yar/009.htm
>
> I'm only now discovering the joy of snot. Cool!!
Mmmmmmmmmm. SNOT!
Looking very nice! Are we to assume the use of imposter brands will be
reduced???
ROSCO
PS: I can get you plans of the hull profile for an Anzac frigate if you want
something to work from - send me an e-mail if you're interested.
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In lugnet.pirates, Ross Crawford writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
>
> > I liked the shots of the FdG in progress too. Must get some film for my
> > camera.
> >
> > Turret and hull template: http://www.ozbricks.com/portblock/yar/009.htm
> >
> > I'm only now discovering the joy of snot. Cool!!
>
> Mmmmmmmmmm. SNOT!
>
> Looking very nice! Are we to assume the use of imposter brands will be
> reduced???
Good grief no. I guess if I was bulding the HMS Indefatigable or something,
but the Australia was built for the colonies...
(And besides that, I have a colonial sized budget - its only my pretentions
that are global sized)
> ROSCO
>
> PS: I can get you plans of the hull profile for an Anzac frigate if you want
> something to work from - send me an e-mail if you're interested.
Cool! (Not for this project, but maybe for the next one...)
Richard
Still baldly going...
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In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Ross Crawford writes:
> > In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> >
> > > I liked the shots of the FdG in progress too. Must get some film for my
> > > camera.
> > >
> > > Turret and hull template: http://www.ozbricks.com/portblock/yar/009.htm
> > >
> > > I'm only now discovering the joy of snot. Cool!!
> >
> > Mmmmmmmmmm. SNOT!
> >
> > Looking very nice! Are we to assume the use of imposter brands will be
> > reduced???
>
> Good grief no. I guess if I was bulding the HMS Indefatigable or something,
> but the Australia was built for the colonies...
>
> (And besides that, I have a colonial sized budget - its only my pretentions
> that are global sized)
And your warships 8?)
ROSCO
(Casually adding .build.military to the X-post to make sure they're all awake
over there...)
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In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Ross Crawford writes:
> > In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> >
> > > Turret and hull template: http://www.ozbricks.com/portblock/yar/009.htm
> > >
> > > I'm only now discovering the joy of snot. Cool!!
> >
> > Mmmmmmmmmm. SNOT!
Mmmmmm is right! My only question is: Is that frame to be
incorporated in the actual ship? If so, how? You did mention
that its actual width will be 2x what's in the picture--but
does that mean that the ship will be stouter (which it in fact
was) or is the slope pretty much set?
The hardest part about this building method is the obnoxious
33/16.5 degree split. If you want 22 degrees, it's back to
the pixels (or ex-low-slopes, if you're flush with those).
That turret looks excellent--my only question is, can you
"barrelize" the gun any more, or are there not enough 2x2
cylinder bricks about? Or do you just not want to (which
is OK too, like you needed *my* clearance...heh)?
> > Looking very nice! Are we to assume the use of imposter brands will be
> > reduced???
>
> Good grief no. I guess if I was bulding the HMS Indefatigable or something,
> but the Australia was built for the colonies...
Are you implying that purist LEGO warships are prone to massive
explosions? :D
> > ROSCO
> >
> > PS: I can get you plans of the hull profile for an Anzac frigate if you want
> > something to work from - send me an e-mail if you're interested.
>
> Cool! (Not for this project, but maybe for the next one...)
Yes, this one could be patterned after a splitting wedge. :)
Bow flare is REALLY hard to manage, which is why I've hung
about pre-1930 thus far.
best
LFB
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In lugnet.pirates, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> >
> > Turret and hull template: http://www.ozbricks.com/portblock/yar/009.htm
>
> My only question is: Is that frame to be incorporated
> in the actual ship? If so, how? You did mention that
> its actual width will be 2x what's in the picture--but
> does that mean that the ship will be stouter (which it
> in fact was) or is the slope pretty much set?
The slope is best estimate for now. The x and y measurements and
proportions were taken from the overall dimensions of the ship, and a line
drawn plan and elevation that seemed to suggest that the hull was
essentially in three equi-length parts - bow, centre, stern.
http://www.warships1.com/BRbc08_Indefatigable-LD1.jpg
Always open to advice though.
The bow and stern sections seem to be very similar in shape, varying only at
the apex and not by much. The 2x thingie is just about there being a
starbord section to go with the port.
I did notice that this seems to be coming out a bit sleeker than FdG, but I
figured it was close enough for now, and that I'd modify for taste as I went
along.
The actual frame won't be part of the ship - I simply knocked it up to get a
feel for size and proportion, and scope out what would be necessary in the
way of pieces (and construction space!).
> That turret looks excellent--my only question is, can you
> "barrelize" the gun any more, or are there not enough 2x2
> cylinder bricks about? Or do you just not want to (which
> is OK too, like you needed *my* clearance...heh)?
I think my entire collection includes 6 2x2 grey rounds. Needs must when
the devil drives...
> Are you implying that purist LEGO warships are prone to massive
> explosions? :D
Only unconsciously if at all ;-)
Richard
Still baldly going...
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In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> Turret and hull template: http://www.ozbricks.com/portblock/yar/009.htm
>
> I'm only now discovering the joy of snot. Cool!!
[and from the link]
> Kind of hoping to have her away for shakedown for Studfest X in October.
Yes, please...
<Crosses fingers>
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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