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Re: 12 volt train track: Blue versus Gray
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Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:40:55 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Frank Filz writes:
> Reinhard "Ben" Beneke wrote:
> >
> > In lugnet.trains, Mark Williams writes:
> > > Is the blue 12v track compatible with the gray 12v track?
> >
> > Yes it is nearly identical: grey has double amount of sleepers and different
> > sleeper (with snap locks). But where blue and grey meet you can simply use a
> > white sleeper of the blue track, that is all.
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> of course if one wants to make the ties (sleepers) uniform in color, you
> just needs lots of dark grey 2x8 plates (or you could use white 2x8
> plates instead of the dark grey ties). What surprised me a little is
> that the blue conducting rails do not allow for a center tie. I tried to
> use blue conducting rails with grey track and discovered this.
They obviously never planned to use the doubled amount of sleepers (ties).
But it works find for 4.5 Volt. We did that one for our outdoor garden layout
to make the track more stable and avoid derailments.
http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~rbeneke/lego/event_3/event_3.html
> > > What about the
> > > points (switches)?
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> > Each system offers hand crafted points and remote controlled points. You can
> > update the grey hand crafted ones with set 7863(?), but you can't do that • with
> > the blue ones. Blue remote controlled points need 16V for operation. So you
> > can't use the 741 transformer, but you need the older one of type 740.
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> Has anyone tried using 12v with the blue remote turnouts?
I have once heard of a guy who did, but it did not work so proper as it should.
> I have tried
> using 9v with the grey remote turnouts and they seem to work fine.
Of course they will deliver less operational force under 9V.
> Was there any overlap between blue and grey train systems?
No overlap: only the old 4.5V motor and battery car have been used in the grey
era also.
> I have seen
> that the blue era 12v motor uses the same housing as a 4.5v motor and
> has special bricks which plug in the bottom which provide the conducting
> studs to contact the conducting rails
> (I also have a set of these bricks
> which have a much larger pin which does not fit in any motor block I
> have, has anyone had experience with that?
Certainly you have a type 107 motor but the brushes are for 103. the other way
round that would be no problem at all..... More info here:
http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~rbeneke/lego/9v_12v/9v_12v.html#103
> Does anyone have a old style
> 12v motor with the larger holes they would be interested in
> selling/trading?).
I see you bidding now and then at ebay.de. Try to get a 103 motor (the one
without technic hole). Those are in 4.5 volt often to have for much less than
10$.
> The power pickup brick also has tracks for an extra
> pair of wheels which can swivel to make an 8 wheeled engine (look at set
> 727 for one example of this). There are also similar blocks which have
> the swivel track but not the power pickup studs which are used on push
> or 4.5v trains (look at set 162 for an example of this).
Thats right! And the same swivel is used for the connection of the ultra rare
magnet couplings of the set 722 (exclusively used there and nowhere else).
http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~rbeneke/lego/trains/blue_era.html#722
> I've become much more aware of the older LEGO trains after winning an
> eBay lot with a 741, much of a 727 (missing the 1x2x2 clear bricks with
> window frame printing), 162, 147, much of a 182 (the loco is
> incomplete), a bunch of track, and a pair of 12v blue turnouts. No
> instructions though, so I had to dig though the database to figure out
> what I had.
Similar with me: I have seen a type 100 motor first time 2 and a half year ago.
I had never heared of the ferry boat 343 and the electronic trains 138/118...
now I own all of them and are a kind of expert for old trains. ;-)
At the Moment I'm in search for building instructions and the numbers 111, 114,
115, 118, 120, 127, 138, 152(if existing), 166, 342, 181, 182, 183, 722, are
the last ones Im hunting after.
Kind Regards,
Ben
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 | | Re: 12 volt train track: Blue versus Gray
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| John Neal showed a really nice length of 4.5 track where he used 1x8 ties with 1 stud between them instead of 2x8 with 2 studs between them. It changed the entire look of the track! SteveB (23 years ago, 30-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
| | | Re: 12 volt train track: Blue versus Gray
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| (...) What is the easiest way to identify a 103 motor? I also have a 156 with the cutoff switch attachment for a 100 motor, is this useable at all with the 103 motor (not that one really needs it since the battery car has the cutoff and reversing (...) (23 years ago, 31-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| (...) of course if one wants to make the ties (sleepers) uniform in color, you just needs lots of dark grey 2x8 plates (or you could use white 2x8 plates instead of the dark grey ties). What surprised me a little is that the blue conducting rails do (...) (23 years ago, 30-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains)
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