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Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:21:17 GMT
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Dear all!
I'm really glad with most of the latest news we have heared from TLC. Bulk
order becomes better and better, (in Germany you can buy at S@H even without
credit card!), the "My Own Trains" and the new waggons are nice as models and
especially for delivering spares. The Sopwith Camel is one of the greatest sets
ever in my eyes and Harry Potter isn't as bad as many people think about
it, since it offers lots of play fun (for kids) and lots of nice detailed sets
for not too
much money. Only the Hogwarts Express is a very lame modell in my opinion.
But now we have the Legend series and I'm not glad about it at all. There have
been some worth to read discussions (mainly Europeans against Americans) about
the Guarded Inn and at this point we have the same effects concerning the
trains. I think Jojo has said nearly all about what makes a set a legend and
why a re-released legend is a dead legend:
http://news.lugnet.com/castle/?n=9395
As a matter of fact I have to declare: Lego® ist not only a toy, but also a
collectors item. Many people collect sets (and pay lots of money for it).
Others just need the parts for playing. Most of us do both: collect things and
play with the stuff. I think TLC should take care of both groups: the "players"
want to have stuff for MOCs easily available, the "collectors" want to have
rare sets.
The easiest way to solve this conflict would have been to do some slight
changes in the new releases (for e.g. colour modifications and new printings.)
The players would get the wished stuff for playing (who would care about a
mirrored print, if he wants to play with the stuff?) and the collectors would
be glad to find a new item to get it into the collection. For example the new
Metroliner could have been same as the old one, but in dark gray.
I would buy such a set immediately (imagine how much new cool MOCs you could
make up with dark gray bricks!). But I see nothing good in a simple 100% copy
of 4558: grey windows are available at S@H anyway and nearly all people around
have a Metroliner now, so we do not need more copies of this set, which is
weekly sold 10 times via eBay.
And my last point (not too unimportant!): if the AFOL-market gets the
Metroliner now, this decreases evidently the chance to get a new well designed
train set (with new parts and new part-colour-combinations). Instead, the next
train set to follow the 4565 will probably be juniorized even worse than 4560.
If you ask me, TLC would have done a bigger favour to us AFOLs if they had
released a new set maybe somewhat similar to 4564, but with cool new colours
like dark gray, tan, brown etc. I want to see a set with big train wheels
(including the possibility to add connecting rods) and with dark gray (or red)
wheel blocks, with dark gray magnet couplings etc. THAT would have been worth a
"Woow!!"
If the legends become a success this will just mean more 4560-like sets on the
one hand and more re-releases (I think 4551 and 4536 will be next. Yes, 4551 is
a cool set, but a green or brown 4551 with gray wheel blocks would be a
fantastic set!)
The new 1000x series just kills legends and is not helpful for me at
all, since I get just "boring" stuff I have right now.... (I'm both collector
and builder).
Kind Regards,
Ben
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| (...) the US anyway don't have a lot of sympathy for what apparently was the majority view on 1000steine... (...) There have been slight changes! 10000 uses different parts molds (new style minifig torsos, 2 clip saddle, etc.) and the parts count on (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| "Reinhard "Ben" Beneke" <r.beneke@tu-bs.de> wrote in message news:GGKIFH.D1t@lugnet.com... (...) What a good idea Ben. I would support that. A bit like the Retro Station being released in 2 colours, yellow and red. Why not do the Metro Liner in new (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| Here we go again... "Reinhard "Ben" Beneke" <r.beneke@tu-bs.de> wrote in message news:GGKIFH.D1t@lugnet.com... (...) a (...) and (...) "players" (...) have (...) Ugh. Ben, I really do respect you and your building achievements, but I have to (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| Actually, I'm just happy that LEGO@ has revitalized the trains line. I consider myself to be a 'player' rather than a collector. While I do pay a high sum for MISB sets, I open them all and build these (with modifications, of course). But my motto (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| (...) A few thoughts. Originally, I kinda had this reaction, even from a marketing standpoint of TLC. I'll give an example. Charming Tails is a series of small, ceramic collectables, whose value has been steadily increasing over the past few years. (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| Summary of my (Chris Masi's post) (1) I am happy whenever LEGO releases a quality set. For me and my collection, a re-release of a set that I already own does not reduce the value of my original set for me. (2) The popularity of the Legend series (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| I don't understand how re-releasing these sets is bad for anyone. If you're a collector, you'll want the original set with its original box. The Legends packaging is distinctly different from the original packaging. Also, many Lego pieces are (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| Ben, I can't disagree with you more. I think rereleasing "legendary" sets is a great idea. I just don't agree with the ones that Lego has chosen. I hope that one day, as per Ole's vision, that a person will be able to go online and pick ANY Lego (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| (...) The collector mentality is nothing but Magpie-ism and pandering to it with 'rare' 'limited series' 'numbered editions' and other marketing goop is just plain icky. A set that isn't torn down and built into something else is a misfit toy. The (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| Listen, All I know is that I cant wait to get my hands on two metroliners and two club cars. I just want those four sets all for me and my collection. No, i do not agree with people who resell the 10001 as a 4558 and a 10002 as a 4547 and make a (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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