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    8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Huw Millington
   I have just finished making it. It is stunning. It dwarfs last year's super car, at nearly 70cm long. It is also more challenging to make -- the pieces are all 'jumbled-up' like the old days, not all pre-sorted for each sub-assembly like 8448 :-) I (...) (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Eelco Kooiker
     Sounds incredible. Can you make some photos of it?? I am very curious. I hope mine arrives soon too. Greetings, Eelco Kooiker (...) (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Henry Chea
     So tell us, what are the technical details? What kind of engine? Does it have a gearbox? Any interesting functions like adjustable rollbar, etc? (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Huw Millington
      "OneTimeCRX" <hchea@ramapo.edu> wrote in message news:3995D192.3C3FC8...apo.edu... (...) The only moving parts are the front and rear suspensions (independent on eaxh axle), steering and moving engine pistons. (...) V10 (...) No. The mechanics are (...) (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Matthew Miller
      (...) Hmmm -- doesn't sound "must have" to me. :( (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Huw Millington
      "Huw Millington" <hmillington@cix.co.uk> wrote in message news:Fz7C0F.J5A@lugnet.com... (...) I forgot that the back lifts up, damped by the air dampers, to reveal the engine. Huw (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Eelco Kooiker
     (...) I saw on the pictures the are transparant-blue. Are these the seconde-edition of the air-dampers?? Or are these broken afther a time too? (I know, it's a difficult question, but are there differences between the "old" and (hopefully) "new" (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Huw Millington
     (...) seconde-edition (...) a (...) There are no visible differences between the Mk1 dampers that broke in weeks and the ones LEGO UK sent me to replace them. The trans-blue ones also look identical, apart from the colour of course. Huw (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Jonathan Wilson
     (...) Can someone please make pictures (photos, instruction scans or whatever) for any genuinly new parts in this set, I want to know what these new suspension parts look like. (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Alan Gerber
     (...) In catalog pictures, I see a guy in it with a helmet that looks unlike that of a normal (Technic) figure. Does it have a new figure? Alan (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Huw Millington
      "Alan Gerber" <foofoogood@hotmail....ed_e-mail> wrote in message news:Fz7KoG.8H1@lugnet.com... (...) that of (...) There is no figure. The box says, in small letters, 'figure not included' :-( Huw (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Kevin Loch
     (...) I have a couple questions: Where did you get it? Was it worth the US$160? Are there any actual silver parts, or are there just silvery-grey side panels? BTW, you can soften the 8448 suspension even further by substituting standard shocks for (...) (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Huw Millington
      "Kevin Loch" <kloch@opnsys.com> wrote in message news:Fz7urC.3rC@lugnet.com... (...) Argos, UK. 99GBP (...) Yes, I think so. There are over 1000 pieces, but about 20% are black friction pegs of varying sizes... (...) The silver parts are the same (...) (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Adrian Egli
      Huw Millington <hmillington@cix.co.uk> wrote in message news:Fz71vF.5po@lugnet.com... (...) super (...) It's a good thing I made some space in my room for this set! (...) like (...) think (...) All the better! I like to take my dear sweet time when (...) (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Kevin Loch
     (...) One more question. Did it come with a new Technic catalog with other new sets listed (like the power puller)? KL (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Michael Edwards
     No, last years 1999 Super Car Catalog I owned the 8458 for 2 Hours, 3 weeks ago Michael - - - Please reply on medwards@ukonline.co.uk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Home of the UK Technic Club Magazine (...) (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Huw Millington
      "Michael Edwards" <medwards@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message news:Fz8ysy.ExI@lugnet.com... (...) Yes, I was surprised about that. (...) I was a bit slow off the mark this year with the new stuff in the Argos catalogue. I was on 'vacation' when it (...) (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Kevin Loch
     (...) Maybe TLC has discovered that releasing catalogs of new products ahead of their arrival in store generates alot of pre-release publicity and marketplace buzz. They obviously don't want that and will probably begin releasing catalogs after the (...) (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Huw Millington
    "Huw Millington" <hmillington@cix.co.uk> wrote in message news:Fz71vF.5po@lugnet.com... (...) super (...) I have taken a few pics, (URL) (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)  
   
        Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —Henry Chea
   Thanks for taking the pics! Hmm, among other things, it looks like Lego came out with yet another new type of spring: (URL) that the springs' coils are different. (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: 8458 Silver Champion is incredible! —David Schilling
   (...) They had a Silver Champion sitting on a shelf on display at Kidvention. The biggest problem with it was that it had the 'old' springs and the car couldn't support it's own weight. Its bottom would scrape along the ground. I'm glad they fixed (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.technic)
 

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