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Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
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Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:33:38 GMT
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Hello,
I'm teaching an RCX-based programming class using the Robolab
software to a group of 19 4th,5th and 6th graders.  I've been trying to
get the Robolab software installed and running on the Powermac 5500/225s
and 6400/200s owned by the school.  Every time I try to run Robolab and
download firmware or even just test the communication between the
transmitter and the brick, I get an error saying that the macintosh could
not communicate to the RCX and the graphical error display shows a red X
over the transmitter, the cable and the RCX.  However, I do see the little
green LED inside of the transmitter turning on. I have tried both the
modem and the printer port but have had no success.  I have tried plugging
the IR transmitter into the serial port before powering up the machine.
What's particularly infuriating is that on my G3 at home and various other
macintoshes where I work, I have no problems with any of the LEGO
hardware or software.
The school's systems administration staff are running an
access-restriction program called Mac Control from BDW software.  The
systems staff assures me that that Mac Control will not affect access to
the serial ports, but I have no way of verifying this short of contacting
the company (which I am currently trying to do).  The other possible cause
of the problem may be that the serial ports on these macintoshes are not
functioning properly.  Does anyone have any experience with these
particular macintosh models and the availablility (or lack thereof) of
signals on the DTR and CTS lines?
I don't know what version of the MacOS they're running (I'll have
to check that the next time I'm there), but I see from
<http://www.ceeo.tufts.edu/troubleshoot/> that I may have problems with
the L2 Cache Reset.  I'm using the black macintosh serial cable that came
with the RCX.  I've also tried using a three-piece cable consisting of a
macintosh serial cable (hardware handshaking--what I use on my modem), a
DB9-DB25 adaptor and the RCX PC cable.  This hybrid cable has been
successfully tested on my G3 at least.

Any advice, words of wisdom or troubleshooting suggestions would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

---
Paul E. Rybski --- http://www.cs.umn.edu/~rybski



Message has 6 Replies:
  Re: Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
 
I'm a user, not engineer, but.. you might want to try this if you haven't already. I had the same difficulty and went through all the toubleshooting methods you have. This is going to sound silly, but has worked for me: With the IR tower on low (...) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.robotics.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
  Re: Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
 
You could try using NQC (or MacNQC) and see if it works any better. I know in the long run you want to get Robolab working, but testing MacNQC would at least separate a Robolab-only problem from more general problems (serial port problems, cables, (...) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, lugnet.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
  RE: Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
 
Paul, I've snipped all of the text about how RoboLab and the Mac might not play nicely together. I have had great results with my own system at my office, and then when I did the tutorial at MIT, things failed miserably. I turned off the large (...) (25 years ago, 21-Nov-99, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, lugnet.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
  Re: Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
 
"Paul E. Rybski" wrote: Every time I try to run Robolab anddownload firmware or even just test the communication between the (...) I had exactly the same problem with my 5400/180 (another all in one machine). I finally ran across a resource (...) (25 years ago, 22-Nov-99, to lugnet.robotics)
  Re: Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
 
I had a similar problem and suggested used the three cable method you mentioned with great success. Before I tried this I sent an inquiry to Dacta and got this response "There is an issue with some Macintosh serial ports that we are currently (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, lugnet.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
  Re: Problems with RCX Robolab and PowerMacs 6400/200 and 5500/225
 
Hello to all, Thanks for all those who wrote in with suggestions for how to get my RCX bricks to work with the PowerMac 5500s that I was having trouble with. Here's a summary of my experiences and how I eventually got enough working machine to teach (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, lugnet.edu, lugnet.robotics.rcx)

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