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  Maximum Subroutine numbers?
 
Does RoboLab have a maximum subroutine number? Also, what is the maximum number of subroutines which can be defined? Referring to real subroutines, not SubVIs. I have a program which defines 5 subroutines, numbered zero through 4. It seems like when (...) (22 years ago, 28-Dec-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  What is "Stop Event Monitoring" for?
 
The Robolab manual says "This command stops the program from watching for events" and gives an example which is essentially identical to the example for the "Start Monitoring for an Event" icon except it adds a "Stop Event Monitoring" icon after the (...) (22 years ago, 28-Dec-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  What is "Reset Event" for?
 
What exactly does the Robolab "Reset Event" icon do? Under what circumstances would or should it be used? The Robolab manual gives only a Microsoft-esque useless restatement of the name of the icon: "Event This command resets monitoring for an (...) (22 years ago, 27-Dec-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: failure in communicaton between RCX & IR Tower
 
Just to verify the verdict... yes, it did work with w2kpro installed on this laptop. One note is that w2k vanilla does not support wireless 802.1g device, which is what comes with this toshiba satellite p25. It requires service pack 4. -- emabrey (22 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: failure in communicaton between RCX & IR Tower
 
Nathan, I have done this trouble shooting step, ie. changing the timing. Unfortunately, it did not work. But, thank you though. Well, the a W2Kpro virtual machine approach did not work either... I guess my only alternative will be getting the (...) (22 years ago, 1-Dec-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: "Non-Robolab" LabView functions
 
(...) Disagree. It's a matter of habitudes. Once you're familiar with the whole environment, you may write extremely complex programs without getting lost. For example, in our recent "Mars-mission" telerobotics project the complete programming -the (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
(...) They do work! But they are usually used with two quadrature outputs (hence the name), while on RCX only one wire is used and the 4 states are encoded as 4 voltages levels. (URL) (Image courtesy Michael Gasperi) The sequence (clockwise) is (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab, FTX)
 
  Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
(...) The way I understand it, it's really not the sensor's fault. The RCX and firmware together either can't or doesn't deal with the ambiguous voltage levels sometimes returned during two of the four transitions. If the RCX were fast enough that (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
Could someone explain to me technically why this sort of of problem with the rotation sensor occurs? I know how quadrature shaft encoders are _supposed_ to work, and I can't see why this sort of thing should happen in the first place. >> Mark (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: "Non-Robolab" LabView functions
 
(...) Still waiting to hear from Dick about that. (...) I disagree that it's easier to understand and use. Possibly easier to learn or figure out without documentation, up to a point. But ease of learning is not the same as ease of use. Graphical (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: "Non-Robolab" LabView functions
 
(...) ---...--->snip I've not had the time yet to analyze the patch. Seems that you replace the first firmware handler. In Robolab the firmware is found under ..ROBOLAB\Engine\RCX1\Text. They simply have changed the extension .lgo to .txt and call (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Patched firmware to improve rotation sensor, was Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
(...) It took me some time to figure out why, but you are right, the ambiguous transitions occur only while counting up. What you could do though would be to count +1 while going from state3 to state2_ambiguous, and correct "phantom transition" by (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  "Non-Robolab" LabView functions
 
I've been experimenting with some of the LabView icons available in "Investigator" mode in Robolab (under the "hourglass" item on the outermost menu). They seem to cause some odd behavior sometimes. It seems like it's especially a problem if one of (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Patched firmware to improve rotation sensor, was Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
(...) Doesn't that mean that at any given count, you could still be off by 1, but now the odds of having an incorrect count are 50-50 instead of about one in 500? (...) There has been some discussion about whether this patch will work with Robolab, (...) (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Patched firmware to improve rotation sensor, was Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
"Philippe Hurbain" <philohome@free.fr> wrote in message news:Hp4JAs.oK8@lugnet.com... (...) Much to my embarassment, I have to agree with Philippe that the patch doesn't work very well. I try to figure out what went wrong. (...) This is the expected (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Patched firmware to improve rotation sensor, was Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
(...) <snip> That would be disappointing! I discarded the RIS software very early on. Dick, can you clarify this issue? (22 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Patched firmware to improve rotation sensor, was Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
(...) I think RoboLab uses its own firmware, so patching FIRM0328.LGO won't help you unless you use the RIS programming environment. (Or NQC, but that apparently isn't allowed by FIRST?) (...) I've used FIRM0328.LGO with older (version 1.0) RCXes (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
(...) Should be legal, perhaps. But I was just suggesting that before sending him off to try to patch the firmware, he might want to make sure it was legal to do so. Although RIS and RoboLab may not use the same identical firmware, that doesn't (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Patched firmware to improve rotation sensor, was Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
Hello Don, (...) firm0309.lgo is firmware from RIS 1.5, while firm0328.lgo comes from RIS 2.0. Maybe RIS 1.5 can't download 2.0 firmware, never tried that... (...) I suggest you download BricxCC from (URL) and use its download utility (located in (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)
 
  Re: Patched firmware to improve rotation sensor, was Re: Robolab, byte codes and assembler
 
(...) I'm having trouble downloading the patched firmware. Robolab doesn't have a .lgo file anywhere in the program directory structure, so I don't have a filename to replace with the patched file. Downloading in Robolab seems to work, but I see no (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.robolab)


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