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In lugnet.castle.ninja, Marc Nelson, Jr. writes:
> In lugnet.castle.ninja, Chris Barker writes:
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> > No pirate ships. I don't have any and they are WAY too expensive in
> > Japan. Two pics from that MoC are here
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=3548
> > I plan to rebuild and overhaul this idea later since very few of the
> > photos came out well.
> >
> > Chris
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> That's a great scene! You can build some neat small ships out of non-pirate
> pieces - then you could do a Commodore Perry scene.
>
> Well, you have definitely inspired me - I already have my pirate crew
> assembled, and I'm going to start working on my junk today. I have some
> questions about Japanese naval history (for you or anybody else who knows):
> -did junks ever carry cannon?
To the best of my knowledge, junks (later called san-pans) were
Chinese/Korean in origin.
I was under the impression that a majority of Japanese ships were coastal
vessels, small fishing boats or galleys, designed for short journeys and
capable of navigating close to shore. I understood that due to cultural
viewws and Imperial decrees, large shps were not constructed for quite some
time.
Regarding cannons... A long time ago I read about pirates that had mounted
small cannons on junks and were harassing villages and ports in China BUT,
this was during World War II!
Lindsay Frederick Braun is probably more conversant about naval history than
anyone else I can suggest. As a matter of fact, he suggested the only good
links I had for my junk project last year.
> -would sailors/pirates have been armed with muskets, or only swords and such?
Well, depends on whether you want to do a historical diorama or play the
Pirate Game = )
I would imagine it depends on the time period. Generally, Pirates have
access to the same or sometimes better armaments than average people by
virtue of the fact that they generally, plunder and steal v. invent.
At the very least, I would think spears, bows, and crossbows would be employed.
> -what would they have worn - helmets, bare-headed, or the pirate 'do-rags'?
I believe pirates would be utilitarian in their approach to armaments and
garb. While armor and helmets maybe handy on the grassy-plain battlefield,
they would be a liability at sea, on a small vessel. It is proably much
easier to crawl around a ship and do sailory things in clothing that is as
light as possible. As I understand it, pirate was generally not an accepted
vocational choice. Most of the individuals invloved were most likely
criminals, slaves, theives, etc. with limited education and no assets. The
strength of most piratical types was their ability to hit quickly, quietly
and escape; anything that encumbered was probably useless.
The above is mostly conjecture and faint memories from college courses a
long time ago...
John
As an interesting aside...
There was an EXCELLENT PBS special awhile back documenting a diving
expedition near Bahrain showig a sunken junk. Long before the Europeans
were venturing beyond their coastlines, China hadd the largest fleet in the
world, thousands of junks. These Chines merchant fleets travelled from Asia
to India, to Arabia, to Africa and back. There were "treasure" junks
supposedly larger than most European ships built during the age of sale.
Some Junks were 300 feet long with 5-7 masts. Very impressive haulig
capacity and design.
> Thanks for the inspiration and for sharing your pics.
>
> -Marc
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| (...) You'll need some black hulls! (...) I think there's a minor difference between full-blown junks and sampans (sorry, I learned the spelling used by the US Navy during WWII--as maru traffic vanished, US subs began spending torpedoes on (...) (24 years ago, 1-Mar-01, to lugnet.castle.ninja, lugnet.pirates)
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