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Re: My Gun Control Rant
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Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:55:56 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Snipped.
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > Lar said:
> > > > So are most
> > > > of the other statistics quoted so far.
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> > Enlighten us then Larry, show us the real situation? Are you able to?
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> There's a lot of stuff out there if you want to dig. I don't, since I'm
> already convinced and I don't much care for your thoughts either way.
> However, for the other readers... Here's a book reference for you:
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> http://www.reason.com/9708/bk.funk.html
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> Note that these authors could care less about the 2nd amendment... they make
> the gun argument on the crime fighting basis (which I acknowledge as a
> valid, but not my primary, reason for ownership). This para from the review
> is particularly apt (and makes the point I make about gun death/accident
> statistics not measuring the right things):
They claim it is some sort of sinister media conspiracy.
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> Excerpting from the copyrighted review under fair use:
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> > The threat of victimization is also the main reason that nearly 50 percent
> > of American homes have guns, a fact that bothers criminals perhaps even
> > more than it does media liberals. Kates and Kleck recount a 1986 study
> > in which sociologists Peter Rossi and James Wright interviewed 1,874
> > felons in 10 states. Rossi and Wright found that criminals are more
> > concerned about encountering armed citizens than they are about running
> > into police.
"more concerned" does not mean were concerned.
> The criminals' fear is well-founded: Although there are only
> > about 1.7 million annual arrests for violent crime and burglary, Kleck
> > estimates that there are at least 2.2 million defensive uses of a firearm
> > by civilians each year
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> <emphasis>
> > (most involving incidents in which a gun is not actually fired)
Yet, I live in a society which is relatively free of guns... and I feel no
need to carry any sort of weapon, or devise a tin pot plan to deal with an
intruder in my home. I don’t have a shot gun under my bed. Why is that? Why
am I free of that worry? Why do you live in fear?
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> > This may help explain why areas with high civilian firearm ownership have
> > lower crime rates than areas where firearm ownership is less widespread.
Show me the demographics of legal gun ownership in the USA... I'm pretty
sure the same sort of people live in low crime areas in the UK too.
Scott A
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> end excerpt.
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> ++Lar
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| (...) There is no need, I found them: =+= OWNERSHIP OF guns is extraordinarily widespread in the United States, and has been for some time. Indeed, since the late 1950's, when surveys on this question were first done, the share of American (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Snipped. (...) There's a lot of stuff out there if you want to dig. I don't, since I'm already convinced and I don't much care for your thoughts either way. However, for the other readers... Here's a book reference for you: (URL) that these authors (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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