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Re: My Gun Control Rant
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Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:03:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > Lar said:
> > > So are most
> > > of the other statistics quoted so far.
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> Enlighten us then Larry, show us the real situation? Are you able to?
There's a lot of stuff out there if you want to dig. I don't, since I'm
already convinced and I don't much care for your thoughts either way.
However, for the other readers... Here's a book reference for you:
http://www.reason.com/9708/bk.funk.html
Note that these authors could care less about the 2nd amendment... they make
the gun argument on the crime fighting basis (which I acknowledge as a
valid, but not my primary, reason for ownership). This para from the review
is particularly apt (and makes the point I make about gun death/accident
statistics not measuring the right things):
Excerpting from the copyrighted review under fair use:
> The threat of victimization is also the main reason that nearly 50 percent
> of American homes have guns, a fact that bothers criminals perhaps even
> more than it does media liberals. Kates and Kleck recount a 1986 study
> in which sociologists Peter Rossi and James Wright interviewed 1,874
> felons in 10 states. Rossi and Wright found that criminals are more
> concerned about encountering armed citizens than they are about running
> into police. The criminals' fear is well-founded: Although there are only
> about 1.7 million annual arrests for violent crime and burglary, Kleck
> estimates that there are at least 2.2 million defensive uses of a firearm
> by civilians each year
<emphasis>
> (most involving incidents in which a gun is not actually fired)
> This may help explain why areas with high civilian firearm ownership have
> lower crime rates than areas where firearm ownership is less widespread.
end excerpt.
++Lar
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| (...) They claim it is some sort of sinister media conspiracy. (...) "more concerned" does not mean were concerned. (...) Yet, I live in a society which is relatively free of guns... and I feel no need to carry any sort of weapon, or devise a tin (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) This is quite a good example, in a odd way. Car manufactures strive to make there cars safer to reduce death/injury rates for both owners and others - it helps sell cars. Have gun manufactures done the same in any real way? (...) Gun accidents (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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