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Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:14:04 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> > John Neal wrote:
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> > > Christians do good with joy in *response* to God's love.
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> > Yet your god sends people to Hell. "I love you, but go suffer for an
> > eternity". No thanks.
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> Seems to me, Tom, that your struggling here...
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> If God didn't allow us to suffer, He would be a controlling entity - and we
> mere automatons. We do have choise - that is required by true love.
*The Unitarian perks up*
Now, if God is the alpha and omega, knows all past, present,
and future, is there really any Free Will beyond simple human
Brownian motion? That's the Calvinist model, that we don't
really have Free Will, but that our choices are indicative of
the status we have as Elect. The stock answer is that 'no
man can know the mind of God,' which is fair enough, but
that doesn't stop people--especially the Faithful!--from
trying. (For example, the old question: Why have this little
'experiment' of Humanity at all? [aka the Ant Farm Question])
A related question:
Do you believe it's possible to do real good in response to
something *other* than 'God's Love?' (I ask this from the
standpoint of a religion that's intensely humanistic, and
places at its centre the need to do good for others.) Our
understanding of "God" is something that's part of us, and
we of it--yet both paradise and damnation are too simple of
concepts for something as complex as the human spirit.
best
LFB
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| (...) Seems to me, Tom, that your struggling here... If God didn't allow us to suffer, He would be a controlling entity - and we mere automatons. We do have choise - that is required by true love. I'd be really interested to know what it is that you (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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