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Re: From Harry Browne
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:58:57 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > > > Well, let's see.... if you want to apply the same logic, you need to choose
> > > > a comparable crime.
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> > > I did. Murder of an adult and murder of a fetus. You're turning it around
> > > wrong.
> >
> > <SNIPPED>
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> > Sorry to barge in. I think you could argue, as you do, that both your
> > hypothetical adult & foetus could be considered victims in murder. However,
> > the if a foetus were to cease to exist, society would not notice - there
> > would be no other "victim" other than the foetus itself.
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> Agreed. Absolutely. I personally value most adults more than any fetus. On
> the other hand, I'm not sure that we want our laws to set the severity of
> penalty for murder based on the societal importance of the victim. In that
> case, killing a nine year old orphan would have less penalty than killing your
> dentist.
Yes, I had thought of that when I drafted my last post. I suppose society
has "invested" in your hypothetical 9 year old... but that is not a very
strong argument.
I suppose my original argument reflects the current trend for the views of
relatives/victims to be considered more in these matters.
Scott A
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> This actually makes sense from a certain perspective, but I think we want to be
> as objective as possible about crime penalties.
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> > Whereas, your
> > hypothetical adult may well have friends, family and contributions to make
> > to society as a whole - so there would be a far greater loss. Therefore, in
> > the broadest sense, you two cases are not equivalent... at least in my mind,
> > at this moment.
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> I think that they were logically equivalent. Not exactly the same.
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> Chris
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| Uh, society is not the victim here, dude. When talking about murder, the victim normally is the person who was murdered, but maybe on your planet the purpose of justice in a murder trial is to figure out how the unfortunate slaying of an innocent (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Agreed. Absolutely. I personally value most adults more than any fetus. On the other hand, I'm not sure that we want our laws to set the severity of penalty for murder based on the societal importance of the victim. In that case, killing a (...) (24 years ago, 15-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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