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Re: Are humans animals? Are humans MORE than animals?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:34:35 GMT
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Christopher Weeks wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
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> > I'd have to agree with the majority - it's arrogant as hell to call meat • eaters
> > evil just because you think we don't have to do it.
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> It's not think...it's know. And I can live with that.
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> > I assert we DO have to,
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> I think that is foolish and unrealistic.
I personally think our bodies NEED many trace elements and proteins in meat that
just aren't in soy and other beans. I would rather risk cancer from seared meat
than risk a lifetime of depletion of trace elements that MAY affect my memory (and
who knows what else) later in life.
I also believe that if you don't enjoy life (as a general rule, as you look back on
it), there isn't much point in slogging through it. So I'm going to eat meat
because I LIKE to, and I'm not going to go vegetarian because I DON'T like that
food fare as a complete regimen (while many veg dishes are quite good, I don't want
to ONLY eat them).
> > our bodies work better metabolically with meat in the diet.
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> Our, who? Not mine. I lost weight, gained muscle, seemed to improve my
> immunodefense and became generally more healthy. I would be quite keen to see
> research supporting that. I do admit that most of the stuff supporting my side
> of the health issue is suspect because of the funding sources, but there are
> some genuinely fair sources too.
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> > And I DO have to eat meat in order to enjoy myself in life.
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> Geez. I know you weren't looking for sympathy, but you have mine. I'm glad
> that my happiness isn't rooted to any one thing so strongly. Especially
> something so minor. But I guess we are all different.
It's only one of many things I enjoy in life. But I'm not going to have each small
enjoyment yanked away from me for one reason or another until the drudgery far
outweighs the enjoyments.
> > You go ahead and shovel tasteless grass into your mouth all your life,
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> No thank you. I don't like anything tasteless. But I do occasionally eat
> popcorn with salt...that's about as boring as it gets.
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> > I think you're evil for classifying "us meateaters" as evil.
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> Really? That's neat. What is the key ingredient in your "evil" that makes me
> evil without hurting anyone? I think this (various definitions of evil) could
> be the interesting discussion to come out of this whole thread. My definition
> is firmly rooted in victimization, but I accept that this may not be shared by
> all as the crux of the definition.
> Chris
>
> By the way, it seems that you in particular -- but a few others at least
> potentially -- have taken this as some kind of personal attack. Through this
> entire thread, I have simply responded. I never went out of my way to advocate
> in any way. You may note that I didn't start the thread(s). I have strong
> views, but I'm not pushy and I genuinely do get along with people who are
> diametrically opposite in stance. I'm sorry if that doesn't cut it for you.
I get along with lots of people in real life that I argue with all the time - not a
problem ;-)
--
Tom Stangl
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