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Re: Why is AIDS such a big deal?
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Fri, 26 May 2000 14:50:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Simpson writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
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> > In part. Yes. I think it's important that everyone understands that. I • think
> > the same thing about another touchy subject, rape victims. Victims in all
> > sense own part of the responsibility for their situation. To some degree
> > everyone who gets in an accident is _partially_ responsible for that • accident.
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> > Chris
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> Ok..into the fray I plunge: You have a point regarding promiscuous (spelling?)
> behavior, but I know someone who was raped when an intruder broke into her
> house. I'd hardly blame the victim in that case.
I would never, under any circumstances, blame the victim of a rape - or any
violent crime (it's not a violent crime if it was justified) - for the crime's
committal. That's just not a viable or productive stance. On the other hand,
I still assert that all rape victims share responsibility for the rape having
occurred. In the case of your friend (and I have two friends who've been raped
too), did she do everything she could have done to assure her safety? If not,
and I know that the answer is no, then she shares the responsibility because
she was wreckless. At the extreme, she could have spent all her time and
discretionary income beefing up her home security and training in various
martial arts. I don't advocate that as a healthy approach to life, all things
in moderation, but it would have been possible. By extension, she could have
been somewhat more secure than she was, and it might have made the difference.
> I wholeheartedly disagree
> with your statement that, "victims in all sense own part of the responsibility
> for their situation." That is a statement that I'd suggest needs some
> moderating.
Gawd...if nothing else it's a terrible phrasing. I was writing too quickly.
But if I revise it to "all victims of any kind of oppression, throughout
history, partially own their situation" then I'm willing to stand firmly by it.
I would, in fact, strengthen it by adding that people who are victims are
usually so because they perceive that as the easiest or cheapest course.
> Anyway, I think
> that our country collectively expects the government to suckle us - Americans
> have become wards of the state.
Right, and that's my general point, even if you disagree with some of my
details. (though you might want to reconsider, since I'm correct :-)
Chris
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| (...) I do mostly agree with you - victims are rarely 100%, well...victims. Often some act of indiscretion or carelessness is a contributing factor, but...isn't that just the nature of life? I have a friend who just got 2 fingers ripped off in a (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Ok..into the fray I plunge: You have a point regarding promiscuous (spelling?) behavior, but I know someone who was raped when an intruder broke into her house. I'd hardly blame the victim in that case. I wholeheartedly disagree with your (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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