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Re: Why is AIDS such a big deal?
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Fri, 26 May 2000 18:48:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Simpson writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
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> > > In part. Yes. I think it's important that everyone understands that. I • think
> > > the same thing about another touchy subject, rape victims. Victims in all
> > > sense own part of the responsibility for their situation. To some degree
> > > everyone who gets in an accident is _partially_ responsible for that • accident.
> > >
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> > > Chris
> >
> > Ok..into the fray I plunge: You have a point regarding promiscuous (spelling?)
> > behavior, but I know someone who was raped when an intruder broke into her
> > house. I'd hardly blame the victim in that case.
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> I would never, under any circumstances, blame the victim of a rape - or any
> violent crime (it's not a violent crime if it was justified) - for the crime's
> committal. That's just not a viable or productive stance. On the other hand,
> I still assert that all rape victims share responsibility for the rape having
> occurred. In the case of your friend (and I have two friends who've been raped
> too), did she do everything she could have done to assure her safety? If not,
> and I know that the answer is no, then she shares the responsibility because
> she was wreckless. At the extreme, she could have spent all her time and
> discretionary income beefing up her home security and training in various
> martial arts. I don't advocate that as a healthy approach to life, all things
> in moderation, but it would have been possible. By extension, she could have
> been somewhat more secure than she was, and it might have made the difference.
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> > I wholeheartedly disagree
> > with your statement that, "victims in all sense own part of the responsibility
> > for their situation." That is a statement that I'd suggest needs some
> > moderating.
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> Gawd...if nothing else it's a terrible phrasing. I was writing too quickly.
> But if I revise it to "all victims of any kind of oppression, throughout
> history, partially own their situation" then I'm willing to stand firmly by it.
> I would, in fact, strengthen it by adding that people who are victims are
> usually so because they perceive that as the easiest or cheapest course.
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> > Anyway, I think
> > that our country collectively expects the government to suckle us - Americans
> > have become wards of the state.
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> Right, and that's my general point, even if you disagree with some of my
> details. (though you might want to reconsider, since I'm correct :-)
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> Chris
I do mostly agree with you - victims are rarely 100%, well...victims. Often
some act of indiscretion or carelessness is a contributing factor, but...isn't
that just the nature of life? I have a friend who just got 2 fingers ripped off
in a machine at his factory, through no real fault of his own. Sure, he made
the decision to work there, etc., etc., but life is fraught with hazards. I
just don't think that we can level judgment against someone who has failed to
remove 100% of risk from their life circumstances.
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