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Re: Why is AIDS such a big deal?
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Fri, 26 May 2000 13:22:26 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ed Jones writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> [snip]
> > > There was risk involved, the accident was not my fault, but I should
> > > assume the responsibility for the damages?
> >
> > You bear ultimate responsibility for your situation. In every way. To claim
> > less is to give up something so valuable that I can't even approach why you
> > might want to.
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> You lost me there - "To claim less is to give up something so valuable that I
> can't even approach why you might want to." I have no idea what the comment
> means.
Right, sorry about that. I mean that to give up ultimate responsibility for
your own situation is essentially the same thing as volunteering for a kind of
slavery. It's like saying that you're not capable of taking responsibility for
your potential future situation and that you need help. To do so is to give
power away, and such a course is not for me.
I think I'm at risk of sounding like I'm against being able to assign financial
liability to others. That's not the case. It's just that when push comes to
shove, I don't expect anyone else to care for me. Only I can do that.
> Just stating my case that a person is not always responsible for the risks
> that they take by showing a legal example.
I still think that a person _is_ always responsible for the risks they take.
But sometimes, fault of others can (and should) override taking that
responsibility in the harshest sense.
> > > Yes there is no fault insurance, however, in my example above, my rates • would
> > > instantly be raised by my insurance company through no fault of my own.
> >
> > Through no fault of your own? What if you hadn't been out driving? What if
> > you'd been driving in places where the roadway association assured more • careful
> > drivers? What if you didn't make a claim against your insurance?
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> And your point is? That because I drove, the accident is my fault because I
> was in the wrong place and the wrong time?
In part. Yes. I think it's important that everyone understands that. I think
the same thing about another touchy subject, rape victims. Victims in all
sense own part of the responsibility for their situation. To some degree
everyone who gets in an accident is _partially_ responsible for that accident.
> > > > Now, the government as an absorber or moderator of risk is basically
> > > > insurance. Right? Insurance is a good thing.
> > > >
> > > > Why must we all be forced into a particular insurance system, or to have
> > > > insurance at all?
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> All of life is a risk. The government is certainly not the only "absorber or
> moderator of risk." Would you consider your parents "insurance?"
In both the case of government bail-out or parental protections, I consider
them more like insurance providers. And I admit that you can apply the same
thing to parents...but it seems different. I didn't get to pick my parents,
but I just had to wait. Now they're not forced insurance the way the
government is. And it's certainly not their only role, whereas I think it
basically is for the government, in various forms.
Chris
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) Ok..into the fray I plunge: You have a point regarding promiscuous (spelling?) behavior, but I know someone who was raped when an intruder broke into her house. I'd hardly blame the victim in that case. I wholeheartedly disagree with your (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Why is AIDS such a big deal?
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| (...) Do you mean they're "responsible" because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or "they're asking for it?" So if I start knifing people at random the next time I'm on the subway, it's somehow they're fault, at least (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: [snip] (...) You lost me there - "To claim less is to give up something so valuable that I can't even approach why you might want to." I have no idea what the comment means. (...) some (...) (...) (24 years ago, 25-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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