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Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]
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Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:12:16 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kevin Salm writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> >
> > Free money spoils people. If you don't want to suffer a bit for your art,
> > you're not much of an artist, now are you?
> >
> > Note, that's a utilitarian argument against state funding... the art it
> > produces is crud. But that's not my main argument, which is, and you
> > know it already, that the artist does not have any claims to my property
> > that I don't grant him.
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> Hear, Hear!!! Time to vote. Who is in favor of un-funding all federal art
> subsidies?? It sure gets my vote. I prefer starving artists who have to work
> a little bit at their trade and thus, create much better art.
I disagree with the sentiment that suffering creates better art, or that worthy
art can only be created by those willing to suffer a bit for it.
Are some of the amazing LEGO creations and sculptures on LUGNET not examples of
worthy art created without pain or suffering? (1)
Sorry to venture near-topic ;)
> If private individuals wish to contribute to artists I have no complaint but
> when taxpayers are forced to pay for art and artists that may be
> undeserving then it is time to stop the liberal, beauracratic money train
> before it can leave the (metro)station.
I couldn't find a single reliable source for figures, but in 1998 it seems that
US art subsidies were around $100 million, but bringing up the defence budget
<http://www.cdi.org/sc/javaclock.html> it seems that that is spent seven times
over each day on missiles and other such toys.
My point is - why pick on art when there are many more possibilities for
saving money, many of which don't give as much pleasure as art can?
I also find it peculiar that a country in economic boom should feel beligerent
towards art in this way.
If you were arguing that the money could be used for education or to fight
against poverty, then I might agree with you.. as it is then a question of
priorities. If it's a question of keeping art subsidies or paying less tax (34
cents per person?) then I vote for art, but by all means employ good art
commisioners!
Richard
(1) Lack of brick seperators and juniorisation excepted
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| (...) I think this is a pointless argument, simply because a national defense was FOUNDED in the Constitution. The NEA was not. Artists have somehow survived since the beginning of time, and somehow, we seem to be in a notion that the federal (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Good. So do I. Fortunately, that wasn't what I said. What I said was that if you are not willing to suffer for your art, you are not a worthy ARTIST, not that your art isn't worthy. I would say that to be true for any endeavour. If you expect (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Not bloody likely--I can't tell you how many times I've hurt myself separating large plates. (...) When conditions are relatively good, we go after that which unsettles us. It's natural, and art funding believes in a certain amount of liberal (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Hear, Hear!!! Time to vote. Who is in favor of un-funding all federal art subsidies?? It sure gets my vote. I prefer starving artists who have to work a little bit at their trade and thus, create much better art. If private individuals wish to (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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