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Re: Arkham Asylum - A cool set, but a bit disturbing.
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Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:35:27 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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All you do is give, Dave!
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My generosity and my humility are the two attributes of which I’m most proud.
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Not to mention your eloquent gift of good grammar and tongue-in-cheekiness.
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which side is being portrayed as good and which side as
evil? The strapped-down supervillain or his torturers?
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Well, I’m not too familiar with the story line here, so I can’t really say.
If a bad guy is torturing a bad guy, well, while I can’t condone that type
of behavior, I can’t really sympathize with the victim, either.
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But you can hate the crime without loving the victim, can’t you?
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Well, yeah, that’s basically what I meant.
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For the good/evil struggle thing to work, it is the innocent who must
suffer.
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Ah! But that’s the difference between melodrama and drama. The more
sophistimacated challenge is for the reader/viewer to be made to sympathize
with a villain rather than always rooting for the innocent victim.
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And that, my friend, may be one of those “nutshell” differences between a
liberal and a conservative. Assuming you are serious with your assertion
(sophistimacated?), I challenge your notion that the concept of sympathizing
with the villian is a more sophisticated rendition of drama. I will never
understand the left’s fascination with evil, as if it can be analyzed and
understood. Dwelling in evil doesn’t provide insight or understanding, but it
does taint and corrupt those who choose to get too close to it. You lie down
with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
In the final attempts to analyze evil, where does it get one? At best, genuine
sympathy for the evildoer, and what good can come from that? Tolerance?
Great. Let’s learn to tolerate evildoers. My suspicion is that the purpose of
such endeavors is to discover how stinky someone else’s laundry is, so as to
feel good about the fetor of their own. Good old relative moralism!
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When the evil suffer, it is plain ol’ comeuppance:-)
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That’s a little too Deuteronomy for my tastes!
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A new sound byte I just made up: Run away from the gray!
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IMO once the guy is strapped
down (or otherwise rendered harmless) then his jailer has no business or
right to inflict further harm upon him. We’ve had this discussion before, of
course, and I’m sure we’ll have it again and again. But in brief, it’s not a
question of “innocence” in any absolute sense; the torturer is the villian
and the recipient of the torture is the victim who deserves our protection.
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What would you say is the reason the victim deserves our protection?
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All of this is beyond the scope of Richie’s initial question, I think, but it
makes for interesting discussion regardless.
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Yes and yup.
JOHN
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