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Re: Arkham Asylum - A cool set, but a bit disturbing.
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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All you do is give, Dave!
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My generosity and my humility are the two attributes of which Im most proud.
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which side is being portrayed as good and which side as
evil? The strapped-down supervillain or his torturers?
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Well, Im not too familiar with the story line here, so I cant really say.
If a bad guy is torturing a bad guy, well, while I cant condone that type of
behavior, I cant really sympathize with the victim, either.
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But you can hate the crime without loving the victim, cant you?
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For the good/evil struggle thing to work, it is the innocent who must
suffer.
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Ah! But thats the difference between melodrama and drama. The more
sophistimacated challenge is for the reader/viewer to be made to sympathize with
a villain rather than always rooting for the innocent victim.
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When the evil suffer, it is plain ol comeuppance:-)
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Thats a little too Deuteronomy for my tastes! IMO once the guy is strapped
down (or otherwise rendered harmless) then his jailer has no business or right
to inflict further harm upon him. Weve had this discussion before, of course,
and Im sure well have it again and again. But in brief, its not a question
of innocence in any absolute sense; the torturer is the villian and the
recipient of the torture is the victim who deserves our protection.
All of this is beyond the scope of Richies initial question, I think, but it
makes for interesting discussion regardless.
Dave!
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