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Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?
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Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:03:09 GMT
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Just some minor nits...I putting this into .debate because it feels
confrontational to me, and I'm responding in kind.  Even if it's not
confrontational *at* me.

In lugnet.general, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
Without any great surprise, the requests and subsequent rants to have Huw
Millington remove his scans of the 2000 dealer catalogue only drew even
greater attention to them.

The only rants I saw were people jumping on the "dictatorship" bandwagon.

As a consequence, a quick look around the newsgroups shows several sites are
now hosting those same pictures, all no doubt collected out of folks Internet
caches, once the realised what they had.

Offers to e-mail them abound.

People are offering to host the pictures if people e-mail them to them

So far, I have not seen any requests (at least in public) to have these other
sites remove their scans, yet they are announcing their existence through
exactly the same channels as did Huw originally.

No.  Huw posted his message in Lugnet.announce - which reaches a far wider
audience (I'm guessing) than any other given newsgroup.  Also, if people don't
respect the reasoning of those who ASKED Huw to take down the pictures, then
what is the point of wasting time asking again?  They didn't listen the first
time.


So Huw puts in the hard work, and everyone else gets the hits.

How is this relevant?  Who cares who gets "the hits"?  Is Brickset going to
disappear tomorrow because of insufficient traffic?
If these other sites aren't crediting Huw for the work, take it up with them.
Don't come here and gripe.

So rather than have effect that the folks who asked for them to be removed had
in mind, there is now 10 times as much publicity and many more sites hosting
the pictures they sought to remove

Yes, you are correct.  There are people out there who feel that their desire
to see a picture *right now* overrides the Lego Company's right to control
images they own.  There are also people out there who don't see it as an issue.

as Sir Cliff Richard has found, the best way to get to number one in the
charts is to get your record banned (sorry only the brits will understand)

Beyond saying "ha ha, didn't work" does your post serve any point?  Because
from where I'm sitting it sure sounded petty.

Flame away, (here in .debate, where it doesn't get in the way of good-natured
discussion about Lego)

James
http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/



Message has 4 Replies:
  Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?
 
(...) I don't know if I see it as an issue. I was off the net all weekend, and looking on Monday AM I was mostly thinking "darn it- I missed them." I wonder how many of the people that were for taking the pictures down looked at them? Did anyone (...) (25 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?
 
(...) I don't know if I see it as an issue. I was off the net all weekend, and looking on Monday AM I was mostly thinking "darn it- I missed them." I wonder how many of the people that were for taking the pictures down looked at them? Did anyone (...) (25 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?
 
(...) Wasnt meant to be confrontational, just an observation on the difficulties of trying to put the wraps on something one it has escaped onto the Internet. Trying to remove the pictures and the messages is difficult once they are in everyones (...) (25 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: 2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?
 
(...) I agree, and it's pretty damn sad to watch, IMHO. I *really* wish now that I'd waited just a little longer, back when I added a couple SW pix to the DB after rebelscum.com put them up. It wasn't very much longer after that before legitimate (...) (25 years ago, 8-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  2000 Dealer catalogue Removal Request Backfire?
 
Without any great surprise, the requests and subsequent rants to have Huw Millington remove his scans of the 2000 dealer catalogue only drew even greater attention to them. As a consequence, a quick look around the newsgroups shows several sites are (...) (25 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.general)

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