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Re: Why these news groups were created
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:40:20 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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First off, if you uniformly hate a group because of an inherent
characteristic of that group, then it is reasonable for an observer to
conclude that you also hate the members of that group who also have that
characteristic. To say that you don’t hate the members of a group that you
do hate, when “membership” in that group is determined solely by having the
hated-by-you characteristic of that group, then you are not simply
bigoted--you’re nonsensical.
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Sir,
I see from your post that you have a child. Consider this:
According to your reasoning, parents (you) must hate their (your) children
because they are disobedient, poop in their diapers, write on the walls, and get
the flu at the most inconvenient times.
This is a perfect example of hating what someone does, but not hating the person
themselves. (Most) Parents love their children because they are valuable human
beings, and this guy’s point is exactly the same: children may do bad things at
times, but the parent loves the child anyway. Now, don’t go assume that I’m
equating homosexuals with children, because that’s just an illustration of my
point.
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what bothers me is that
not only are homosexuals trying to get the world to accept them, they are
practically shoving their lifestyle down our throats.
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Again with the mixed metaphors? What is it with homophobes and the need to
use “down my throat” and “thrusting in my face” as such common images when
discussing homosexuality? Your hot, steamy invective really gets my
rhetorical pulse throbbing!
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Hmmm... I think the so-called “homophobes” are simply frustrated with having a
decision made for them and then forced upon them. It is their right as a human
being to decide what they want to believe and what they don’t want to believe.
Homosexuality advocates need to learn that they can’t force people to think as
they do, and if they truly practice this “tolerance” they speak of, they will
graciously allow other people to have their say. I can say right now that other
people in this thread prominently display that they believe they are the source
of infallible truth.
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i go back to my
original point of this whole thing: WHAT DOES LEGO HAVE TO DO WITH
HOMOSEXUALITY? why must they (you--or whatever) bring homosexuality into
every part of our lives? i see it in magazines, t.v., movies, books,
newspapers. IT DOESN”T BELONG IN A LEGO NEWSGROUP! i don’t talk about
heterosexual things here, so why do you have to talk about homosexual
things?
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No one is preventing you from discussing heterosexual things, whatever those
may be. When I announced the birth of my son, no militant homosexuals
denounced me for proclaiming my heterosexuality. Therefore, there is no
compelling reason to prevent people from discussing homosexual things,
whatever those may be.
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I believe his point can best be articulated like this: It’s a matter of manners;
I don’t blatantly proclaim my sexuality, and I would appreciate it if you would
act in a similar manner. Many people feel that the request for a LGBT newsgroup
is a request for special attention/blatant proclomation of sexuality. This is
what upsets them, not the fact that people are gay (1).
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What if one of your children turns out to be gay? Will you condemn that
child to spend his or her life thinking that he or she is not okay, simply
because of your value system? What kind of parent would inflict this cruelty
on a child?
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This returns to your fallacy in thinking that hating an action (or lifestyle)
precludes loving a person. Some people find it a hard concept to understand,
but it’s really quite simple.
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I understand it, and I’d wager that Chris understands it. But you’ve made a
serious logical mistake to compare homosexuality with smoking, and you
seem not to understand it. Smoking is a voluntary action undertaken by a
person who has made the effort to acquire, light, and inhale the smoke of
cigarettes (or pipe, or whatever). Homosexuality is part of a person’s
identity, just as heterosexuality is part of your identity.
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This may not be entirely true; many, many people believe that homosexuality is a
choice. One of the major arguments for homosexuality is that it’s simply a
lifestyle choice. Who says it’s natural in the first place? Doesn’t the
theory of evolution make homosexuality impractical? Supposing evolution is
fact, all homosexual creatures would have died off millions of years ago because
they could never produce offspring.
Sir, I hope you can learn to abandon your fallacies of thinking and approach
this subject in the future with more objective thinking.
Andrew
(1) Granted, there are people who get upset about people being gay. I simply
state that a large number, if not a majority, of the protesters are upset as I
describe them in this point.
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) I beg your pardon? Do you actually hate these actions when performed by a child? That strikes me as a dangerous lack of self-control on the part of a parent. Wall-writing, diaper-pooping, and flu-getting are parts of being a child; a person (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Yes, until they try to dictate the behavior of others based on their own sense of morality. You can be a homophobe all you want, but the line is crossed when you try to restrict them from having the same freedom to participate that heteros (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Then you've been lucky not to have been exposed to reality, since you have been given such an inadequate set of tools for dealing with it. If you are in a position to save either one innocent person or a pair of innocent people from certain (...) (20 years ago, 23-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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