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Re: Why these news groups were created
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:19:50 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jason Coronado wrote:
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i actually grew up in a loving environment that taught me that right and
wrong are absolutes and nothing is relative. believing that has kept me out
of trouble many times.
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Then you’ve been lucky not to have been exposed to reality, since you have been
given such an inadequate set of tools for dealing with it.
If you are in a position to save either one innocent person or a pair of
innocent people from certain death, but you can’t save both the individual and
the pair, what do you do? It seems to me that you must make a choice based on
the relative value of the one versus the two. How do you make this
decision?
In reality, little that is absolute is accessible to us, which is to say that
even if something is truly absolute, we as humans aren’t generally qualified to
assess it (I am excluding mathematical or Boolean absolutes, which are different
from what we’re discussing). We may choose to enshrine certain values or
customs as “absolute,” but these aren’t “absolute” in any real sense.
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on the contrary--i’m not talking about intolerance toward people, i’m talking
about intolerance toward homosexuality. i do not hate homosexuals. i merely
hate the idea of it. i believe that homosexuality is wrong. if that labels
me as a bigot, then i’ll have to live with that.
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First off, if you uniformly hate a group because of an inherent characteristic
of that group, then it is reasonable for an observer to conclude that you also
hate the members of that group who also have that characteristic. To say that
you don’t hate the members of a group that you do hate, when “membership” in
that group is determined solely by having the hated-by-you characteristic of
that group, then you are not simply bigoted--you’re nonsensical.
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what bothers me is that
not only are homosexuals trying to get the world to accept them, they are
practically shoving their lifestyle down our throats.
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Again with the mixed metaphors? What is it with homophobes and the need to use
“down my throat” and “thrusting in my face” as such common images when
discussing homosexuality? Your hot, steamy invective really gets my rhetorical
pulse throbbing!
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i go back to my
original point of this whole thing: WHAT DOES LEGO HAVE TO DO WITH
HOMOSEXUALITY? why must they (you--or whatever) bring homosexuality into
every part of our lives? i see it in magazines, t.v., movies, books,
newspapers. IT DOESN”T BELONG IN A LEGO NEWSGROUP! i don’t talk about
heterosexual things here, so why do you have to talk about homosexual things?
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No one is preventing you from discussing heterosexual things, whatever those may
be. When I announced the birth of my son, no militant homosexuals denounced me
for proclaiming my heterosexuality. Therefore, there is no compelling reason to
prevent people from discussing homosexual things, whatever those may be.
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kids read this stuff, so why do we have to bring up sex at all (and don’t
tell me homosexuality is not about sex, because it is).
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Sure it is! And heterosexuality is about sex. Kids are, by definition, about
sex, and in many (but certainly not all) ways sex is about kids. What’s your
point?
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you have got to be kidding me: “without interference, hassle, and
judgement?” the homosexual agenda uses the media to force its views on
society. it permeates throughout my home because of the media--i call that
interference and hassle and i don’t want my children to think that
homosexuality is o.k.
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What if one of your children turns out to be gay? Will you condemn that child
to spend his or her life thinking that he or she is not okay, simply because of
your value system? What kind of parent would inflict this cruelty on a child?
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i also believe that homosexuality is not perfectly
natural, but a perversion of a natural and beautiful thing that GOD created
to exist between a man and a woman through marriage. and being labeled a
“bigot” because i don’t agree with you or this whole “lavender brick” issue
is being judgemental as well. the pendulum swings both ways. yes, i’ll
admit it--i’m also being judgemental. it is a problem i need to work on in my
life. but i try to look at homosexuals like i look at smokers. i hate
smoking, but i do not hate people who smoke. that is my only reasoning. if
you don’t or can’t understand it, then so be it. i’ve said my peace.
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I understand it, and I’d wager that Chris understands it. But you’ve made a
serious logical mistake to compare homosexuality with smoking, and you seem
not to understand it. Smoking is a voluntary action undertaken by a person who
has made the effort to acquire, light, and inhale the smoke of cigarettes (or
pipe, or whatever). Homosexuality is part of a person’s identity, just as
heterosexuality is part of your identity.
Dave!
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) Sir, I see from your post that you have a child. Consider this: According to your reasoning, parents (you) must hate their (your) children because they are disobedient, poop in their diapers, write on the walls, and get the flu at the most (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
| | | Re: Why these news groups were created
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| (...) reality, my good friend, does not always determine what is right and what is wrong. needless to say my children will know about the "reality" of homosexuality sooner than i ever did. but to say that, "homosexuality, kids, is a part of society (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) i actually grew up in a loving environment that taught me that right and wrong are absolutes and nothing is relative. believing that has kept me out of trouble many times. And I didn't say you were (...) on the contrary--i'm not talking about (...) (20 years ago, 23-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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