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Re: Lavender Brick Society
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 20 Sep 2004 05:15:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Laswell wrote:
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The way I read his original comment was that
despising LGBTs and their lifestyles is genetically built into humankind,
despite the fact that much of the modern world disproves his theory.
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Specifically, the revulsion of heterosexuals by the idea of engaging in
homosexual sex.
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You’ve asked them all, have you? I would say many heterosexuals would
probably have such revulsion, but I wouldn’t be arrogant enought to assume
they ALL do.
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Well, the ones that didn’t I wouldn’t categorize as “heterosexual”, but as
“heterosexual with homosexual tendencies”, or some other such qualification.
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Even if they are only attracted to women, and only sleep with women? There is
nothing in the definition of heterosexual that says you have to be REPULSED
by homosexuality.
How much “homosexual tendency” does a heterosexual have to have before you no
longer consider them heterosexual? What about heterosexuals that are forced
to live for long periods without access to the opposite sex (think prison)?
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So, are you saying that heterosexuals in prison who engage in homosexual sex are
still heterosexuals? This is an interesting distinction and I have heard it
before among Latin men. They believe that they can have sex with a Gay man
(they, however, being the dominant partner) but still consider themselves
“straight”. This idea of separating orientation from behavior doesn’t parse for
me. These people are clearly bisexual.
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How many homosexual thoughts do they have before you no longer consider them
heterosexual? If they have homosexual relationships in prison, then go back
to heterosexual relationships on the outside but they no longer think
homosexuality is as bad as when they went in, do you still consider they have
homosexual tendencies?
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That is why I spoke of homosexuality in terms of behavior. Straight men
having sex together means that they are engaging in homosexual behavior. In
this case, presumably, attraction has nothing to do with it.
JOHN
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) Someone who's bisexual in prison isn't necessarily also bisexual outside of prison. BTW, in Kiss of the Spider Woman, do you consider the kiss between Luis and Valentin to be one of a bisexual nature or just brotherly love? I don't think the (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) It parsed with the ancient Greeks. It was considered socially acceptable for mentors to engage in consensual acts with their also-male students, but only the passive partner was considered to be gay. Also, I've heard theories stated that the (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Even if they are only attracted to women, and only sleep with women? There is nothing in the definition of heterosexual that says you have to be REPULSED by homosexuality. How much "homosexual tendency" does a heterosexual have to have before (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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