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Subject:	Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:15:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Johannes Koehler wrote: > Hello! > > > Sorry for chiming in but this topic sounds interesting. Of cóurse I didn't read > the whole thread so please ignore my post if its a repost of the contents. > > > And finally, what things do you mean when you refer to "all the unexplainable > > things?" I'm not actually aware of any. > > How about The Life™? I can't believe that's just the result of a thunderbolt > melting some incidentally present amino acids. > If that was the truth men would be able to re-enact it in the laboratory. > > > ...and chiming out again.... Hello Jojo: By all means, feel free to chime in. That's what the forum is for! Regarding the thunderbolt & amino acids, you're referring to Miller's experiments in the 1950's. These experiments revealed much that was promising, though they didn't answer all of our questions. Still, the fact that it worked at all is a testament to the value of the theory. Of particular importance is the fact that the experiments produced 13 of the 20 amino acids used in life[1], and in a relatively short amount of time. Remember that the primitive Earth had billions of years to accomplish what Miller sought to do in the space of a researcher's career! Give the researchers a billion years and a whole world's worth of materials and then see what they come up with. Also worth mentioning is the fact that people can study astronomy without reproducing a star in the laboratory. It is sufficient to formulate a theory consistent with observable phenomena and to make predictions based on the theory, even if the event itself cannot be reproduced. Dave! [1] As discussed here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB025.html And if you have the time, check out the entire Talk Origins website, or as much of it as you care to browse: http://www.talkorigins.org/

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		Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
(...) Isn't that something like comparing an individual's ability to reproduce the complete works of Shakespeare from memory with a fleet of monkeys being able to randomly bang them out on typewriters? (...) It would be more significant if he'd (...) (20 years ago, 18-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
(...) However, you have to consider the fact that the experiments were performed already knowing such compounds existed, whereas the billions of years of evolution probably had no such knowledge. ROSCO (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
hello! (...) Great! In this case I come up with another provocative thesis: If there was no God that gave Life™ this life wouldn't have any value at all. In that case life was just matter that accidentally interachts in a way predetermined by laws (...) (20 years ago, 20-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
Hello! Sorry for chiming in but this topic sounds interesting. Of cóurse I didn't read the whole thread so please ignore my post if its a repost of the contents. (...) How about The Life™? I can't believe that's just the result of a thunderbolt (...) (20 years ago, 18-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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