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Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
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Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:47:54 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
  Of particular importance is the fact that the experiments produced 13 of
the 20 amino acids used in life, and in a relatively short amount of time.
Remember that the primitive Earth had billions of years to accomplish what
Miller sought to do in the space of a researcher's career!

Isn't that something like comparing an individual's ability to reproduce the
complete works of Shakespeare from memory with a fleet of monkeys being able to
randomly bang them out on typewriters?

Give the researchers a billion years and a whole world's worth of materials
and then see what they come up with.

It would be more significant if he'd taken the various amino acids, introduced
them into a sterile environment, and seen what he could get them to do.
Injection molding machines can spit out the bricks necessary to build an
Imperial Star Destroyer until the sun blows up, but they still won't be able to
assemble the model.  The question is whether the cosmos is capable of randomly
spitting out an ISD assembler machine, or if some sentient being would still be
required to come along and get the show started.  And once the first microscopic
beasties were floating around in the ooze, what possible reason would there be
for them to have reproductive capabilities built in?  And why, in the eons since
the dawn of life, have we never seen any evidence to suggest that life continues
to spring fully-formed from the ether?



Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
 
(...) Your analogy is a rather poor one, because you imply that either sentient capabilities are required to assemble a complex form directly from simple parts or a (complex) assembler would have to be randomly generated. First, most abiogenesis (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
 
(...) For a thorough debunking of the "infinite monkeys" myth, I recommend Richard Dawkins' book "The Blind Watchmaker," which gives a great explanation of why that model is flawed as a representation of evolution or of the origins of life. Beyond (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Atheism (was: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution)
 
(...) Hello Jojo: By all means, feel free to chime in. That's what the forum is for! Regarding the thunderbolt & amino acids, you're referring to Miller's experiments in the 1950's. These experiments revealed much that was promising, though they (...) (20 years ago, 18-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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