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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Subjugating citizens to a second-class status,
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Say again? Cites, please.
Which RIGHTS? Cites, please.
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I’ll cite the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution. You even know the
amendment... it’s the one that discusses the right of citizens to associate (or
not) as they choose.
Then I’ll cite contract law in general. People can enter into (or not enter
into) contracts as they like. (it’s based on that plank in the Bill of Rights,
above)
Then I’ll cite the Equal Protection Clause. Government does not have, in
principle, the right to discriminate against a class of citizens on the basis of
their choice of association or contract or belief or creed.
Then I’ll cite Separation of Church and State. Government does not have, in
principle, the right to enshrine one particular type of ceremony over others.
Finally, I’ll cite the proposed Defense of Marriage Amendment itself. This
proposed amendment, prima facie, proves that discrimination against those who
espouse other relationships than your particular favorite, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
For, after all, if it WERE, no amendment would be required (as proof I remind
you of the 16th... prior to its adoption, income tax WAS unconstitutional)
You’re left with nothing but utilitarian arguments, because on a rights basis,
you’re shredded.
And as far as utilitarian arguments, even if we grant they are a way to argue,
you’re pretty much washed up too.
Give it up, John.
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 | | Re: Gay Marriage
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| (...) You are deliberately misinterpreting the Bill of Rights. Of course that Amendment had nothing to do with the concept of marriage. (...) The definition of marriage is the union of one man and one women. NO gay person is excluded from entering (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Nicely put. And it also nice to find myself on the same team as Larry (at least occaisionally :-). Richard Still baldly going... (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) All I am asking is upon what do you believe our society is based. If you think it is a myriad of things, fine. What are they? (...) Upon what exactly do you base your assertion? (...) What I mean is that you are asserting things for which you (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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