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Re: Gay Marriage
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Date:
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Fri, 18 Jun 2004 04:37:36 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Subjugating citizens to a second-class status,
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Say again? Cites, please.
Which RIGHTS? Cites, please.
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I’ll cite the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution. You even know the
amendment... it’s the one that discusses the right of citizens to associate
(or not) as they choose.
Then I’ll cite contract law in general. People can enter into (or not enter
into) contracts as they like. (it’s based on that plank in the Bill of
Rights, above)
Then I’ll cite the Equal Protection Clause. Government does not have, in
principle, the right to discriminate against a class of citizens on the basis
of their choice of association or contract or belief or creed.
Then I’ll cite Separation of Church and State. Government does not have, in
principle, the right to enshrine one particular type of ceremony over others.
Finally, I’ll cite the proposed Defense of Marriage Amendment itself. This
proposed amendment, prima facie, proves that discrimination against those who
espouse other relationships than your particular favorite, is
UNCONSTITUTIONAL. For, after all, if it WERE, no amendment would be required
(as proof I remind you of the 16th... prior to its adoption, income tax WAS
unconstitutional)
You’re left with nothing but utilitarian arguments, because on a rights
basis, you’re shredded.
And as far as utilitarian arguments, even if we grant they are a way to
argue, you’re pretty much washed up too.
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Nicely put.
And it also nice to find myself on the same team as Larry (at least
occaisionally :-).
Richard
Still baldly going...
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| (...) I'll cite the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution. You even know the amendment... it's the one that discusses the right of citizens to associate (or not) as they choose. Then I'll cite contract law in general. People can enter into (or not (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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