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Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
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Tue, 25 May 2004 18:50:58 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:

   You may think that Scotts missing your point, but the point you seem to be oblivious to is that the actions undertaken by this US administration isn’t helpful to reducing or eliminating the terrorist threats.

What part of wiping out the Taliban in Afganistan wasn’t helpful? What part of deposing SH, a known sponsor of terrorism and possessor of WMDs wasn’t helpful? What would you suggest as an alternative response?

   It’s like this--

If ‘the people’ are content--there’s food and water (no starvation), there’s infrastructure to maintain jobs and leisure activities--basically ‘the people’ are content with their lives, it would be much more difficult to incite ‘the people’ to commit terrorist acts. To be said, in this little hypothetical, there will always be those individuals, like Koresh, who, while being charismatic, have a slightly tainted outlook on their society and may end up committing ‘acts against society’. But in a contented society, the Koreshes should be few and far between.

On the other hand, as history *blatantly* shows us, you bomb a civilization, you murder wives, children, and whoever stands in your way, especially for flawed reasoning, you will incite people to rise against you--What PB said in satire I say in earnest “you killed my father--prepare to die!”

Do I like that? Does this justify the actions of terrorists? No. My lack of appreciation of terrorists does in no way diminish human nature, however.

This ill-conceived and unjustified war

What war are you talking about?

   of the US administration is inciting more people to commit what the administration is deeming ‘terrorist actions’ against the troops in Iraq. It’s a ‘text book’ case, and you are oblivious to it.

What you are oblivious to is the fact that much of the resistence is coming from outside of Iraq, not from an overwhelming majority of the Iraqis themselves. We are talking about a few 1,000 insurgents in a country of millions.

   Maybe the Iraqi ‘insurgents’ are attempting to defend their homeland from a foreign aggressor?

What will these insurgents think about the new Democratically elected Iraqi government when it happens? This has nothing to do with the US.

   At least, that’s a possibility of some of these ‘insurgents’. Maybe they think of themselves a ‘freedom fighters’.

ROTFLMAO! That’s rich! So... these “freedom fighters” are fighting those who are fighting to make those freedom fighters free? Got it.

   But you’d be oblivious to such a thought because your idea is right, just, and ‘God Ordained’, and they’re just wrong.

Please. Where did I say that?

JOHN



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  Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
 
(...) From the New York Times: Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, a spokesman for the occupation forces, estimated that there were a total of 3,000 to 5,000 guerrilla fighters in Iraq, with 5 to 10 percent of those coming from outside the country. Since when (...) (21 years ago, 25-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
 
(...) I know that John doesn't hang out in OT.Debate much anymore, and this isn't really an attempt to refute the claim he makes in this paragraph, but I recalled his statement when I read (URL) this.> A few 1,000 indeed. (...) Other thoughts re: a (...) (20 years ago, 4-Jan-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
 
(...) You may think that Scotts missing your point, but the point you seem to be oblivious to is that the actions undertaken by this US administration isn't helpful to reducing or eliminating the terrorist threats. It's like this-- If 'the people' (...) (21 years ago, 25-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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